uuuuummm no, now in arrears! by 2 pts my reckoning 1 by wiz's [ still not checked mine ] love the use of red iculus ….. It would be unfair to compare DH first season with LJ first season LJ got left a REAL BIG pile of **** to wade through! And it will be unfair to compare after 31st January as transfer window altered a lot of things balance wise [ bought Wells that needed to fed . . but sold the feeder …] … This January if the deal has not already been done! Get rid of Fammy … maybe Semenyo!
I see your point here 1For, the reason for appointing DH had to be the stability and understanding of the club and squad he brought, that a new manager wouldn't have. If the results are not markedly better - which to me they are not, they are about the same, and the performances and cohesion of the side is worse - which I definitely think they are, then what was the point?
Yeh, we should have kept Junior 4.5 years treading water and left the squad no better, arguably worse than when he started. One thing is for sure, Holden won't get 4 years and 50plus signings.
first signs of grabbing at straws … hope Kalas is not injury number 11 … seem to remember someone stating last season [ seasons before ] you cant blame it on injuries we have a big squad ….. !
To pay off the debts he stacked up with transfers and wages so the club wasn’t penalised under financial fair play .. you forgot that one Lee groupie. He’s gone now move on.
but within ffp. debts which were made bigger by having bigger squads and bigger wages. what was Cotterills wage bill v Johnsons????
Show me that in figures or have you just pulled that from the waffle jar? Yeah, he's gone and moved on.......seems like we've become stagnant....... Bet you're happy how we've progressed, but at least he's gone hey!!
Like when he was with us, RP will be itching for him to fail and will be the first on here screaming about how useless he is as a human being
Like our next ex manager and any future managers, they go in with their eyes wide open, it's not like it's a secret that suddenly comes out down the line and in Holden's case he has seen it action over a 4 year period, everything to do with our transfer policy buying and selling wise. So nobody was sold from 'under his feet' he was well aware of uncle Steve's pillars and more importantly yes individually they were our best players, but collectively we were still not a consistent team even when most or all played together and with the exception of Brownhill were all sold during the closed season, so their sales still would not explain our annual January to May meltdown. The problem is the transfers in policy, it is at best 50% effective and certainly needs to improve, only Bentley and a fully fit DaSilva would probably yield more in fees than we paid for them, all of the others at present IMHO would be loss making, luckily the academy is still filling that particular void. This is what I would like to see for the rest of this season, firstly keep blooding individuals from the academy, keep introducing them into the match day squad and when we have (hopefully) amassed enough points to make us safe, ease out all of the deadwood and play the kids. LJ has gone and is at a club where potentially he can become a big hero, the fanbase is desperate, I suspect nothing short of promotion this season will do for most Sunderland fans, but maybe a close encounter might suffice. I wish the guy no ill in fact ex city striker and huge Mackem fan Robbie Turner is a friend of mine and I would like to see him be successful for Robbie's wellbeing. Robbie asked me what to expect and I told him to expect undefeated streaks and winless streaks and I said he IMHO never had a good record of handling big name players, but luckily Sunderland don't have any of those.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03230871/filing-history Here you go leeluvvie and you will see that there is a **** financial off loss during your ljs time meaning players had to be one hundred and ten per cent nailed on all day had to be sold because city could not lose that twenty million plus two seasons on the trot because of ffp.
This is a moot point as it's just the cost of competing. If we ever get to the Premiership it will inflate exponentially again, regardless of who the manager is, it's just a fact of football life. It's not being an LJ "luvee", it's just that transition from being a Yo-Yo team between the Championship and L1, and being a top 10 team and potential playoff contender. I've said many times, if being perennial relegation battlers from the Championship, or slugging it out in L1 on a low budget is your ambition in a football club, then go support the GAS!!
You are 100% right (apart from the gas quote) LJ achieved uncle Steve's first target and that is no mean feat, for us it was pivotal. But failed in target 2 the play offs or promotion, that's football and always will be. To be honest Parkinson was unlucky they were in 8th place and only 2 defeats in the first 13 games, just imagine the outrage had LJ been sacked under those circumstances?
It was not a moot point it was answer the leeluvees post. asked to back up a post I did. Ljs squad is bigger wages are bigger well of course they are it’s obvious and the losses have been bigger leading to.City had to sell due to ffp rules. Cotterill had half the wages??? Lj had and no twenty million pound a season losses.
My point about it being moot is, LJ's task was to get us to be a top 6 side in the Championship - which he did not achieve and paid the price. In order to do this, SL knew the club had to spend more on players transfers and wages, and have a bigger squad; therefore, the budget and potential losses were always going to be higher than ever before. Another point continually overlooked by the anti-LJ brigade is, SL made big money available to Steve Cotterill, but he couldn't spend it, as he couldn't convince either Andre Gray or Dwight Gayle to join! it was well documented that SL sanctioned £9m bids for both players, which is also more than he ever gave LJ to spend on a single player.... Also, Cotterill was L1 and LJ Championship, so again a moot point as it's not comparing apples with apples Look up how much SC had to spend compared to SoD, I bet that was more as well..., or why not say Terry Cooper's budget as manager in 1987if we're not comparing like for like...... If, in 4 years time DH is still the manager and we are still in the Championship, then it is apples for apples to compare the finances to LJ.
That not what they leeluvee posted and I answered proving I hadn’t made something up which is what the luvee was basically saying I had. City had to sell off players due to get back onside with ffp due to a massive loss putting them offside. The loss was due to bigger squad and too big wages.
Different divisions different pay structure.... but had crowds of over 20,000 that is the way life works … funny how we always want more! … many nations in the world have worked hard to be as they are … other nations expect hand outs … or you could say invest in their future for better things or waste what they could achieve!. Same in football provide the spectacle and reap the reward... more than half footballers will play not for "the club" but for the money they get paid … highest bidder! ...that's life wages will never get less ...overall not looked at it yet to busy but accounts are made to show losses … mirror often helps!
