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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Is that you laird steely
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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  3. qprbeth

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    So according to Telegraph. Boris has made a number of concessions, and we will get an agreement

    Not sure what I feel about that... Happy that we have got an agreement, or annoyed that he drags us to the edge and does a U-turn.

    Obviously will wait and see what we have given in on and whether it was important..
     
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  4. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Boris drags us to the edge?!!!!
    Good grief!! Open your eyes Beth.
     
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  5. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Bit condescending, mate.
     
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    Where did you see that? I can't find it but perhaps missing an article.

    At this stage I'll be happy with any agreement, even if it's one no one is particularly happy with.
     
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  8. kiwiqpr

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    BREAKING: Britishvolt to build UK's first 'gigaplant' in Blyth, Northumberland. The £2.6 billion automotive battery factory - one of the largest-ever industrial investments in the UK - will create 3,000 direct jobs and 5,000 across the supply chain #UKmfg#GBmfg

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  9. Stroller

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    I'll be happy with any deal that the ERG don't like.
     
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    Even with the ‘best’ deal, as they would see it, they’d be getting 98% of what they ever dreamed of and still would moan about traitorous remoaners sabotaging the pure Brexit. Years and years of pandering to these utter ****s has got us here.
     
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    Mood Turns on Merkel as First German is Vaccinated… In UK



    German Health Minister Jens Spahn is clearly feeling the pressure as cases soar and Germany descends into even tighter lockdown, closing all non-essential businesses and even schools until at least January. Spahn took to Twitter yesterday to beg the EU to approve the vaccine, arguing that the EU’s delay is undermining “the trust of the citizens in the ability of the European Union to act” and “Every day that we start vaccinating earlier will reduce suffering”. Though, of course, Brexit had no effect on the UK’s early approval…

    Experts like Paul Welfens of the University of Wuppertal are now arguing that Germany’s delays cost more than 20,000 lives. Meanwhile, the UK has been vaccinating for a week and the US starts today. Spahn reportedly confessed yesterday at a Corona summit with the German Chancellor over the weekend that “Germany would have been significantly faster in a single, national approval process.”

    The best selling European newspaper Bild came out with a scorching lead editorial yesterday slamming the German Government for “political failure” over Coronavirus. The paper writes that whilst Germany came through the early part of this pandemic relatively unscathed, that is now in the past and the country is struggling.

    “we are currently only watching how other countries start vaccinating because the EU is lagging behind with approval due to reasons of deadlines. If every day counts, that is unreasonable. The first German was vaccinated yesterday – in England …

    Aside from Germany having to wait for the lethargic EU to approve vaccine, the editorial slams the implementation of Germany’s restrictions, saying “everything that has caused massive infections, such as large wedding celebrations, has been banned for months, but has not been effectively prevented.” Restaurants, bars and leisure centres had already been closed for months too. Germany is certainly no longer the Wunderkind of Europe…
     
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    Britain will do a Brexit deal on Europe’s terms
    A power asymmetry puts the UK at a disadvantage in the negotiations
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    © James Ferguson

    December 14, 2020 12:56 pm by Gideon Rachman
    And so we stumble onwards. The extension of trade talks between the EU and the UK should not be a surprise. For all Boris Johnson’s bravado about “prospering mightily”, the British prime minister knows that a “no deal” Brexit would be disastrous for the country. The EU would also suffer, but not nearly as much. So there will probably be a deal struck before the end of the year; if not, soon afterwards.

    When an agreement is reached, it will largely be on Europe’s terms. The EU will doubtless makes some concessions on fisheries as part of last-minute haggling. But Britain will have to agree to the EU’s central demand, which is that there must be “level-playing field” rules — ensuring that the UK cannot undercut EU regulations on competition at will.

    The reason that the deal will be done on the EU’s terms is the same reason why the whole Brexit process has been so painful for Britain — a fundamental asymmetry in power between the two sides. Britain sends 43 per cent of its exports to the EU; Germany, France and Italy all send around 6 per cent of their exports to Britain. The population of the UK is nearly 67m; that of the EU is 447m. Even without Britain, the EU has a single market comparable in size to that of the US or China.
     
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    While I agree with the analysis, I can't find anything saying Boris has actually made any concessions. It's just an expectation that the smaller party will move more in any negotiation.

    You had me hoping we were close to a deal!
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-within-days-after-johnson-concession-says-eu

    @Beth this is much clearer on stating that Boris has made concessions on level playing field so hopefully hopes were not raised in vain!

    Seems a fairly sensible compromise although I suspect both sides will be unhappy. Fine by me as long as a deal is then done. Hopefully the EU gives way a little on fishing now given how inconsequential it is in the big picture [they can bung the French fishermen who may lose out] so Boris can claim a great victory and distract from the compromises he has made. Everyone can claim some sort of win, we can all move on.
     
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    It always seemed likely to me that Johnson would have to concede on LPF and that the EU would give him something on fishing in return. As you say, Johnson will portray this as a win, but it would really be a victory for the EU, I would say - fishing is a minor consideration. We could all heave a sigh of relief if it happens, but there may be problems for Johnson subsequently from within his own party.

    It'll be interesting to see how Starmer reacts to whatever deal might be put before parliament. I think Labour should abstain.
     
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    You obviously study form... :grin:
     
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    :emoticon-0102-bigsm A tad cynical... but admirably pragmatic
     
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