I'll start by happily admitting I wasn't overly enthused when Warnock was appointed as manager, but will (again, happily) concede he did a good job in the Championship. My only concern is whether this can translate into the Premiership, of which I have my doubts. The Fulham game was obviously a shambles. But some of his decisions are also mind boggling at times. Why take off Taarabt who looked like our only real chance of creating anything? Why take off Derry who's been performing well all season and is (in my opinion) integral to our season? Barton had an absolute stinker but was left on the field looking as disinterested as they come. Tactically, Warnock needs to improve. He got found wanting last time in the Premiership and we can't afford the same to happen with us. Newcastle and Villa were both there for the taking and are games that we should have won and may well rue not winning come the end of the season. Why persist with one up front at home when we're struggling for goals and why with Bothroyd. He's not a PL player. You've got someone that scored goals for fun in the Prem last season sitting on the bench. Baffling. There's also the signing of Barton and handing him the Captaincy. Whatever Warnock says in the press about players being happy about it, noses were bound to be put out of joint. We're already hearing soundbytes of how Joey struts around like he owns the place and has a far greater opinion of his playing qualities than anyone else does. He's an accident waiting to happen. The way Warnock was purring over Barton constantly after the transfer window was quite embarassing (for me, anyway). I don't think Warnocks fabled ''man management skills' are quite as good as they're made out to be. He let's Taarabt get away with anything he likes and the excuses he gives for him in interviews are cringeworthy at times. This has to cause unrest amongst other squad members that aren't treated. If someone at my work could do as they please and get away with things that I and others couldn't, I sure know it'd piss me off. He's let Hill go out on loan when he's our only other recognised left back and sold Gorkks, who is certainly better at centre back than Hall or Perone. Personally I think he's better than Gabbidon. Two more mistakes made by Neil. I almost wish that the rumours floating around last year along the lines of ''Warnock is just here to get us promoted, then we'll get a top class manager in'' were true. By Premiership standard we've had an easy start to life fixture wise, but failed to pick up the points we need from these games. Losing to Bolton, Wigan and Fulham who all look like being in the bottom half come May. If the result against Blackburn goes against us too, then I'll have even more doubts as to whether he's the right man for the job. As Warnocks said himself, now he has the funds and players he wants, its upto him to keep us in this league and if he doesn't, he will deserve the sack. At the moment, I don't fancy his chances.
I share some of your concerns yet after the Wolves match we were all hailing him as the next England manager......win against Blackburn and the Fulham result will be consigned as a one off 'freak' result. I was very angry after the Wigan game with Warnock's team selection - playing Dave up front when he obviously had no real desire to put him into the final 25 man squad was a terrible decision. I would have preferred him playing Troy instead! Then he held off bringing Bothroyd on until it was far too late. I was pilloried here for my reaction as the players had a group illness etc etc but whilst acknowledging we are all human and make mistakes I am sometimes baffled by Warnock's selection policies at times. Of course the only true test of Neil Warnock is over the course of a whole season and whether or not he can keep us up...
I'm about half-way through his autobiography. It's very entertaining but doesn't fill me with confidence for our prospects in the top divsion under his management. But I think Warnock has done wonders and deserves his chance of at least a full season in the Premiership though I think if things look grim for us at Xmas he will be axed. After the next four games we could already be in a sticky situation. I am concerned that so far Norwich and Swansea seem to be coping better than us, in light of their lack of humiliating beatings and having to deal with a more difficult set of opening fixtures, and despite having even less resources than us.
Another point and it might just be me being picky, is that he was still full of smiles after the Fulham defeat, blaming it on injuries etc. Was the same after Bolton, fair enough it was our first game back but seeing him smiling and joking that we're going to get thumped a few times this season and him seemingly being ok with it aggravates me. ''We're just happy to be here and we're going to enjoy it'', no , we're happy to be here and want to stay here. I want to see him as pissed off and hurt by it as I was. As I said, maybe it's just me. Starting to remind me a bit of Ollie last season (god bless him), who just seemed like he was constantly in awe of where he was. As said above Norwich and Swansea, with pretty much the same squads as last season, look far stronger than us at the moment and they've had much harder games than us. This again points towards their managers being better tactically and knowing the limitations and capabilities of their squad.
Warnock worked wonders last year and I fully expect him to keep us up this year. Forgetting the Wigan and Bolton results as we didnt really have a team so please dont judge him on Fulham. It was a bad day for all and we need to keep behind the manager and the team in all games to give us the best chance of staying up. Fulham hurt us all but lets not hit the panic button just yet.
don't you love people like bob get a life. he could have taken off any one of those 11 it just happened to be tarbs & derry who wern't instrumental anyway, with the playing one up front system it worked twice away & i think thats a better option away from home, need to play two up front at home. barton needs time to adjust to our way & his way of playing & his best position & no problems with him capt, got to give warnock time & if given the funds earlier would have a different team as it is he had to bring in the likes of gabbidon, dyer, perone etc on free's as the tight barstards gave him naf all. agree we should have kept hill as proved sunday no cover, gorkss have my doubts.
Hi silent bob, about 3 weeks before the season started i posted a thread very similar to this and only got a handful of replies. There are people on this site who will just not listen to anything said about NW. I was not criticizing NW but just asking what i felt was a very valid question "is he good enough for the prem". Some people on here see it as me having a go at NW when all i was asking was a question. His record in the Prem is not good and despite what some people think enthusiasm and effort will not be enough. Just ask Ian Holloway. I still think that NW is the right man for the job and deserves to be given an extended run to prove himself at this level. But there have been early signs that he has got big decisions wrong and unless he is able to change our system to combat the opposition we will be in trouble. I also posted the below response a few days ago with no response. People on this site just dont want to talk about NW unless you say he is GOD. "Guys, we are all passionate about our club, thats obvious. However, we did not become world beaters when we beat wolves 0-3 and we are not the worst team in the Prem by loosing to Fulham. The reaction on this board to our victories and losses is way over the top. Our squad on day one of the Prem was very poor. We have added a nice bit of quality in recent weeks but remeber that all the players we got were players with lots to prove and most were not wanted by other clubs for various reasons. Our first team now is decent, not brilliant, not top ten, but decent. We have a chance of staying up, but we need another 3-4 Prem players in Jan in order to do so. NW agreed to sign some of the problem children we now have. It is his job now to sort out any problems that may exist. I for one will be interested to see how he does this. I am a NW fan but as i have said (to deaf ears) several times in recent weeks our survival depends on him getting his tactics right week in and week out. Until he proves at this level that he can change our system to suit the opposition strengths and weaknesses the jury is out for me. The same formation will not work week in and week out. Other managers have a brain and will easily work us out. This result shows how clinical the Prem is and if you dont take your chances, the opposition will. Jay deserves our support and confidence up to a point. That point is coming closer. NW will have to look to DJ, Mackie, HH or others on loan to score the goals to keep us up. No goals will mean no survival. Please take a more rounded view of our results. We will get hammered from time to time. That always happens newly promoted teams several times in their first season. Keep your posts realistic and we wont all work ourselves into a frenzy every weekend. We need 20Pts by 25 Dec. We are still on track.
The first line of your article shows that you have made your mind up about Warnock before he joined the club and now after one (very) bad game your seizing your chance to trot out some anti-warnock propaganda and interpret events in a biased way to suit your views. Firstly he did more than a good job in the Championship it was beyond even the most optimistic of fans expectations. With all your negatives about losing against teams likely to finish around us. You conveniently forgot to mention that we have wins away against Everton and Wolves. And I would be interested to hear your justification for criticising Warnock and explanation of the assertion of failing to beat a current top 4 and undefeated Newcastle side their “for the taking” with a team containing a premier league record of debutants? We dominated that game and similarly did well against an undefeated Villa with a severe handicap thanks to the ref. I don’t know your footballing credentials but I am willing to bet Warnock’s tactical nouse is considerably more advanced than yours. So I will back him thanks. But I would guess that Taarabt came off because he didnt think he could keep him on while having two up front. A more hardworking Tommy Smith therefore had to come on the wing instead of Tarbs and this meant that he had to choose to take off one out of Barton, Derry or Faurlin. I would agree with his choice of taking off Derry in those circumstances. I would agree that I would prefer to keep Hill and Gorkss but we don’t know what has gone on behind the scenes and considering Warnock is undeniably a massive fan of Hill I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason for their departure was either linked to wages or a desire for a regular first team place. Warnock was relegated with highest ever points total and a tiny budget last time in prem and his side received a massive payout from West Ham because of the Tevez saga. You clearly have made your mind up about Warnock and your criticisim of a man who has done so much for our club is disgusting. Had we had the owners in much sooner I am confident we would have had very different games against Wigan (two defleced goals) and Bolton. He deserves much more respect than you are giving him and its people like you who will hold this club back We are on to a good thing with Warnock, give him the time he deserves. A few more signings in January and we will add depth to a weak squad. Before the pessimistic anti Warnock brigade come back with “we are allowed our opinions”, I would say who is it benefiting having a go at Warnock? No matter what you say we need stability and therefore you surely must appreciate we need to keep the same manager in charge so it’s counter-productive to get on his back after a few games. We are 11th in the Premier league. Where have you been for the last 15 years?!?!!? We’ve never had it so good
Can't be arsed reading this thread only the title , but I predicted the Warnock haters would be out. Only 10 posts Bob, didn't feel like coming on after a win then?
The answer to the question is yes - he's not infallible - but he does have what it takes. Next question...
NW has done brilliant for QPR, saved us from relegation to L1 first season, brought us up to the PL as Champions second season, and now we are 11th in the PL after a few games. Sounds like an extremely good performance to me. Whats the problem Bob, NUTS? -1 bad defeat and you give him all this criticism! For me we should not be be discussing sacking NW now, but giving him full support. I really hope he is given a full chance until at least January to show he can keep us in the PL - bottom 3 at the end of the Year then fine, obviously he himself will expect a review, but now, no-way.
As i said Oslo i think NW does deserve an extended run. Surely its not considered bashing him by asking a relevant question
Yes, in my humble opinion, Neil Warnock DOES have what it takes. The signs against Newcastle, Wolves and Villa were very positive, not to mention last season. There will be more games like the Fulham one along the way to stomach, but by the end of the season I'm confident that Neil will have helped secure another season for us in the top flight. You Rsssssssssss
Doesn't show I had made my mind up about him at all. It shows I wasn't jumping up and down when he was appointed, but can now see why he was appointed - as he's a good Championship manager. We both know Newcastle are in a false position and will be in the bottom half come the end of season. They were there for the taking. With a decent striker up front (or two at home) we would have beaten them comfortably. I bet Warnocks tactical nous is also better than most of the journalists and pundits in England, but it doesn't stop them being able to comment on it does it? So why should it stop me when I can see glaring errors? He said he made the changes at half time as he was ''worried about the defence''. So he takes off Taarabt and Derry and brings on Smith and DJ and we concede another three anyway and look worse than we did in the first half. That's a poor show. How you can agree with taking Derry off, when we need someone to guard the defence against being even more exposed, surprises me. Calling my criticism ''disgusting'' is a disgusting exaggeration in itself. I'm stating what I think, there's nothing sinister, untoward or disgusting about it. Way to over-react. I'm not getting on his back, I'll be cheering him and the team on regardless in our game against Blackburn, better to do my questioning here than at the game eh?
I agree that people on here put on rose-tinted glasses when it comes to Warnock and conveniently forget the fact that we all practically hated him before he came to us. However, he deserves a good go at it because hes done brilliantly for us thus far. If we're bottom by Xmas then the Chairman has a decision to make. (Oh and Bobby son, Swansea and Norwich spent roughly the same as us over the summer; around 10mil)
A very measured response Swords (are you feeling well?). For me Warnock is the only game in town this season and as you say he well deserves his chance. That doesn't mean we all have to treat him as infallable however and Bob's nicely crafted evaluation does contain a lot of reasonable observations and queries that make for a good debate. I guess that makes me a Warnock Hater by your no-criticism-allowed standards Northolt but TBH I don't see myself that way.
Bob you clearly are getting on his back if you title the thread "Has Warnock got what it takes?". I stand by calling it 'disgusting' what you have written. We are a newly promoted side and what sides like us have thrived on in the past is the good feeling that promotion brings and the positive effect on results this can have. By promoting a negative feeling towards the manager and the captain you are contributing to sucking this out of us now. Your views are made even worse by the fabrication and hearsay you are basing them on. I mean what facts are you basing the statement "Joey struts around like he owns the place"? To state something like this you better be sure and again the point to stress is what positves are achieved by your speculative rants? I also think your tactical views are pretty naive. Please explain how Warnock could have gone two up front without bringing off one of Derry, Faurlin or Barton? Remember we were three nil down and as Warnock said himself the first goal after changing the shape is important and it went to them. Regardless of whether Newcastle fall away later on they are currently the form team so it was a good result. I don't understand your link between someone putting away one of our numerous chances making Warnock all of a sudden a better manager. The domination we had during that game suggests there was nothing wrong with the tactics. Don't get carried away with your opiniojns on who should have started or what system would have been better. Hindsight is just that. QPR Nuts is just as bad; "Jay deserves our support and confidence up to a point. That point is coming closer". The pair of you need to consider what your saying. It is potentially harmful to the club by airing these views in a public forum viewed by many fans. It does no good to have a pre-determined view to start having a go at our short on confidence centre forward. I could understand your opinions if they were legitimate but even you really think about it you must realise that now isn't the time for opinions such as these.
