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S.A.F.C. - the future

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by alan reed, Jul 24, 2020.

  1. dansafcman

    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    You didn't actually disagree with my main point. Without Donald's takeover, the club would not be here today. I didn't say anything about his finances and his promises of major investment.

    What I do remember about that, and I might be wrong, is that the biggest backers would come in as we made it back into the championship. Obviously that didn't happen (due to the bad footie decision I referred to) , so neither did the new investment.

    And honestly, in terms of the 1st team, I don't expect the new owners to make much of a difference. FFP, salary caps etc will put a stop to that. Where I do hope they can invest is the academy and scouting network. Edit: and 2 new strikers, fast pacey ones who can play football. Squad doesn't need a complete overhaul imo.
     
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  3. Chip

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    I would agree with this once we have stabilised the club and got out of this league. In the meantime we will have to outspend others in the league to make sure we have the squad to do it. Donald has always been incapable of doing that, this new guy can afford to do it without any worry at all. Its not going to be massively expensive to turn the squad into a league winning one.
     
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  4. Guy Incognito

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    Donald may not be a bad person and has been genuinely unlucky in us not getting promoted, but he's been **** as an owner for a long while now.
    The fall out rumours have been going for a whole and do make sense. I think he thought we'd go up easily, and he'd get extra investment in which would cover his short term decisions. But, we didn't, so he carried on with the short term decision longer and longer, became more evasive when pressed on issues, started being "economical with the truth", and as my old gran used to say, little lies beget bigger lies, which beget even bigger lies. He ended up boxing himself into a corner and compounded each mistake with another one.
    Its lke a bloke buying a £1million house that might need a lot of renovation to it, but will be worth 3 times that when it's done. But he's on a zero hour contract at work, can't guarantee that he's got enough to make payments regularly, but thinks it'll be alright when he gets this new job he's put in for, even though he's not been interviewed for it yet. So in the mean time he skips on the renovation work, sells some fixtures just to keep the mortgage payments up, then takes a secured loan against the house for a fraction of its worth to use to fix it up so he can try and sell it on......
     
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    As ive said theyve churned a few out this week....they are spending time and effort doing some journalism instead of writing articles from the nationals.....I wouldnt have thought they would be doing this if they did'nt think it was worth it
     
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  6. TonyG

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    I was surprised at how many of my more southern base colleagues all leased brand new cars !
     
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  7. Yep...looks like they've got something!
     
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  8. Ned Doig

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    I'm not sure how their relationship is with the club at present. They were always very safe in the past about what they published but I've not followed if they've been critical of SD recently and maybe are trying to recover ground to get back in the good books? Or, as you say, maybe are being fed a line or two.
     
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    Interesting how they keep mentioning Rybolev-Dreyfus. Almost as if they think Juan is acting proxy
     
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    they never really have an opinion mate, they just report.....Any opinions are usually...'this is what the fans have to say'
     
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    We might have gone into administration without a takeover but I'm fairly confident the administrators would have found a buyer rather than us go out of business. Been loads of clubs go into administartion over the years and there's only been Bury who went completely tits up.
     
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    I thought this...remember this has always been proposed as a Consortium.....surely if it was just Sartori & Dreyfus it would be classed as a partnership? Although I guess a consortium can always be classed as more than 1

    There you go:

    A consortium is a group made up of two or more individuals, companies, or governments that work together to achieving a common objective. Entities that participate in a consortium pool resources but are otherwise only responsible for the obligations that are set out in the consortium's agreement.
     
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  13. dansafcman

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    Fair point, but we might have been in L2 by then
     
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  14. Ned Doig

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    Not heard Rybolev mentioned in terms of putting anything in, it's always just been reference to the family connection. Unless he's suggested Dreyfus as one to get involved.
     
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    His name has been mentioned for the last 2 years tbh.....If you look into the ownership of Monaco, Rybolev is the President but his daughter is the owner of the club (A trust her name) who is married to Sartori...who owns part of Sunderland...who is in a proposed partnersip with Dreyfuss to buy Sunderland who is part owner of Marseilles.....

    Went on a bit of a tangent there but this could be huge really
     
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    Doubt it would have taken a full season to sell us and I highly doubt that squad would have been relegated. Fair enough we were in bother but still had two seasons of parachute money to come in so as a distressed asset available at a knock down price we'd have been a very attractive proposition. To putit into a bit of perspective, it's only took Wigan about two month to get sold out of administartion and that's while no fans are allowed to attend.
     
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  17. The links are there....but,it's a dream at the minute for us mind.
     
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  18. Ned Doig

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    Yeah, I get that. I meant not mentioned recently as being involved. There's always been rumour with the Sartori family connection.
     
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    Its like the ultimate cock teaser in football ownership terms!
     
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  20. Monkey69

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    I don't personally believe that SD was our saviour because he purchased the club I just think he offered Short a deal which was best for short. To believe that there was nobody else willing to look at club of our size at that time is something I find hard to believe. And I believe at the time it was supposed to be a consortium fronted by SD that was taking over club. So again I still don't buy the whole saviour of our club tag. The rest of my post was to try and explain a sort of timeline of failure as to why I think SD deserves his tag of inept owner. So I understand you didn't mention investment but the lies and mismanagement have led people to distrust him which is kind of what I was trying to point out that I believe there is very little to actually thank him for.
     
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