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Off Topic Covid 19 restrictions have done one

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  1. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    The ONS data is compiled based on the cause of death, as stated on the death certificate.

    If someone dies of natural causes and had tested positive within the past 28 days, then it's likely it will get a mention on the death certificate.

    If someone has a bullet hole in their head, it quite obviously won't.
     
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  2. SW3 Chelsea Tiger

    SW3 Chelsea Tiger Well-Known Member

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    On this occasion you are wrong. The flaw in the data collection has now been closed

    Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.

    “By this PHE definition, no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness. A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.”
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-phe-accused-exaggerating-deaths-093838013.html

    Dr Susan Hopkins, Public Health England Incident Director, said: “Although it may seem straightforward, there is no WHO agreed method of counting deaths from COVID-19. In England, we count all those that have died who had a positive COVID-19 test at any point, to ensure our data is as complete as possible.
     
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  3. DMD

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    I think the claims had legs at the start of the crisis, and it led to them changing the way the numbers were recorded.

    "A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later," they wrote.

    A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced.

    The recalculation is based on a new definition of who has died from Covid.

    Previously, people in England who died at any point following a positive test, regardless of cause, were counted in the figures.

    But there will now be a cut-off of 28 days, providing a more accurate picture of the epidemic.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711
     
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  4. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    That's the PHE data (subsequently rectified), that doesn't apply to the ONS data, which as I said, was always based on the actual death certificate.
     
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  5. SW3 Chelsea Tiger

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    Mate, just accept you are wrong
     
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  6. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    Department of Health in climbdown after online swipe at The Mail's analysis of Covid-19 facts and figures
    • The Mail said Government predictions on potential fatalities were inaccurate
    • Whitehall spin doctors used official Twitter account to try to rubbish the report
    • The department failed to identify a single error in the figures and data we used.

    The tweet from the department of health has now been deleted.
     
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  8. Mr Hatem

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    Are you outing yourself as a Mail journo?
     
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  9. balkan tiger

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    No, it's one of if not the only paper you can get to see on-line free and easy.
     
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  10. Plum

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    You get what you pay for...:emoticon-0101-sadsm
     
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  11. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    We've been knocked off the top of the table, the rate here's dropped to 615 per 100,000 and we've been overtaken by Swale in Kent, with 632 per 100,000.
     
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  12. Steven Toast

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    That’s ****ing mental.
     
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  13. tigerscanada

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    The weekend reporting lag effect no doubt !
     
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  14. balkan tiger

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    Not much logic in anything that has been done regarding the virus.
     
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    In John Bishop style....

    Because we all know, you can't infect your loved ones at Christmas.

    It's a Santa Clause...
     
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    if they allow 3 households, we know that many will make it 4/5/6.... then the next day, the 4/5/6 ill go and visit another household and so on for the next 5 days or however long people decide Christmas lasts for. No one has mentioned New Years Eve yet..!!... nor has any mentioned the pub parties between December 3rd and the Christmas 5 day grace period, not forgetting the mass shopping extravaganza. I appreciate its a tough decision, but in reality its madness...
     
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  17. Barchullona

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    There are loads of papers still free online. The Mail is probably the most widely read, along with the Guardian.There are others, with lots of pictures and short words, for the likes of Mr Hatem.
     
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    Boris Johnson has confirmed that non-essential retail and gyms will be allowed to reopen on 3 December, after the lockdown in England is lifted.
     
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  20. SW3 Chelsea Tiger

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    Have they announced what’s happening in East Yorkshire?
     
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