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  1. Des Head

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    :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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    Lets just call it a bastard
     
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    Yes - the Spire thing is contingency. Same as the Nationwide nightingale surge capacity - yet to have a single emergency patient in them
     
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  5. SW3 Chelsea Tiger

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    Apologies if this has been posted & dicussed before- has anyone seen this?

    it seems that a huge amount of medical professionals are speaking out against the data & lock down approach. Thoughts?

    https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/#site-nav
     
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    Fortunately, the extra Nightingale capacity wasn’t really needed and some weren’t used at all, but London and Manchester did treat patients.

    If they don’t create extra capacity and the NHS can’t cope, they get slaughtered, if they create extra capacity and it’s not required, they get slaughtered. Can’t win.
     
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  7. SW3 Chelsea Tiger

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    Correct they did treat patients but not emergency patients as I stated, some were used for rehab & recovery - but not for their primary purpose, urgent ICU beds

    They were the right thing to do at the time, but even in the first big wave, the NHS never got close to the feared capacity breach, but they were right to plan for the worse case scenario
     
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  8. DMD

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    There seems to be a lot of other medical people critical of the claims made by members of that group.

    https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...irus-and-the-reliability-of-diagnostic-tests/

    https://www.newswise.com/factcheck/...a-normal-flu-virus/?article_id=740360&fc=home

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9573357676

    https://factcheck.afp.com/world-doc...and-misleading-claims-about-covid-19-pandemic
     
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    A group of health professionals who call themselves the World Doctors Alliance make multiple false claims in a video being shared online, many of which have been debunked by experts working to stop the spread of the coronavirus...

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9573357676
     
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    Like all insurance, it’s something that you hope will never be required.
     
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    thanks will read it later
     
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    What do scientists know anyway ..., If my mental procedure are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain , I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true .... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms
     
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  14. DMD

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    I can't remember who said it, but I recall a quote that said something like, 'if the brain was simple enough for us to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it'.
     
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    Lots in the media about this today, seems Hunt the ex Health secretary is behind this push, totally unworkable, for a start wheres these tests going to take place Humber Bridge site is not easily accessible to everyone, also millions of people don't have android phones to download this so called freedom pass, how long would this carry on for as the Government are for ever moving/changing the goalposts, thin end of the wedge,
    A 2 Tier system for people to live their lives, i don't think so !
     
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  16. Ernie Shackleton

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    Kinnell.

    Basic modern economics innit?

    Just in time end of life care facilities, Shirley?
     
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  17. Ernie Shackleton

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    Let's, at this point, introduce some poeting.

    Which is, of course, the closest we ever get to expressing the ineffable in words.


    And it is apt, on this forum, that we contemplate one of our finest sons.


    Yes I know he was born and raised in Coventry.


    By a Nazi sympathiser by all accounts.


    However, as we all sing:

    :emoticon-0159-musicPhilip Larkin, he's one of our own.:emoticon-0159-music


    Albeit a tad right wing for some.


    Never mind.

    He was good at the contemplative stuff.


    What are days for?
    Days are where we live.
    They come, they wake us
    Time and time over.
    They are to be happy in:
    Where can we live but days?

    Ah, solving that question
    Brings the priest and the doctor
    In their long coats
    Running over the fields.
     
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  18. Steven Toast

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    It wasn't an argument. He was right, this situation is a syndemic. Covid isn't a syndemic, though, there's a pandemic of Covid.

    It's also of little importance, what matters is people follow the scientific guidelines and don't get fanciful ideas that this virus is going to **** off for Christmas to allow them an annual piss up.
     
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  19. DMD

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    'Help, help, ' said a man. 'I'm drowning.'
    'Hang on, ' said a man from the shore.
    'Help, help, ' said the man. 'I'm not clowning.'
    'Yes, I know, I heard you before.
    Be patient dear man who is drowning,
    You, see I've got a disease.
    I'm waiting for a Doctor J. Browning.
    So do be patient please.'
    'How long, ' said the man who was drowning. 'Will it take for the Doc to arrive? '
    'Not very long, ' said the man with the disease. 'Till then try staying alive.'
    'Very well, ' said the man who was drowning. 'I'll try and stay afloat.
    By reciting the poems of Browning
    And other things he wrote.'
    'Help, help, ' said the man with the disease, 'I suddenly feel quite ill.'
    'Keep calm.' said the man who was drowning, ' Breathe deeply and lie quite still.'
    'Oh dear, ' said the man with the awful disease. 'I think I'm going to die.'
    'Farewell, ' said the man who was drowning.
    Said the man with the disease, 'goodbye.'
    So the man who was drowning, drownded
    And the man with the disease past away.
    But apart from that,
    And a fire in my flat,
    It's been a very nice day.

    Ahmednagar's finest, Mr S Milligan.
     
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  20. Steven Toast

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    But we didn't need them last time because we took strict measures to control the virus. That was the right thing to do, we prioritised health over money and other stuff and put people first and it worked. People moaned about it, they were always going to, but at least people were safe and it showed, unarguably, that it works as a preventive measure. We didn't wait long enough and allowed people to go about their lives and it's come back. If this is going to be a rinse and repeat every six months, we're ****ed.

    New Zealand did a proper lock down, they're now Covid free (aside from a small blip thought to be linked to frozen food packaging). They are literally back to normal. Yeah, they've got a smaller population, but their population all followed the guidelines and they didn't release the lockdown until the virus had effectively been eradicated.

    We didn't do that and now we're back to where we were. Surely the eradication of the virus has to be the goal, not to return to normality with it going on in the background?

    Their test and trace works as well and it did so from day 1.
     
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