After Trump called US war dead 'losers' and 'suckers' I'd be surprised if any of the military would vote for him anyway.
I listened to the US news and they said the huge majority of votes now will come from military personnel. That's what the Trump camp is hoping for. He still won't win but can you imagine the uproar if they won't include some military votes that got held up? That would be the fuse to light the gunpowder. Maybe Trump should come back in 4 years as he would still be younger than Biden?
The interesting thing about the US voting, listening to Andrew Neil, is that it shows that, while Donald Trump may be history, Trumpism most definitely is not. For all the impeachment, pussy grabbing, military disrespecting, disinfectant drinking, Covid denying nonsense from The Donald, the Republican vote has held up incredibly. MSM had Trumpism as cold, dead meat. It isn't. Biden is an "interregnum" president. He won't serve two terms. And the appeal of Trumpism is something that Democrats and Republicans have to think hard on. The next election won't be decided by the woke West Coast. Or the East Coast. Or the South. The big vote is the Mid and Northern states, the Industrial heartlands, the Rust Belt. Ignore these, and political parties will fail
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It's always tricky to understand why people voted a certain way - did they vote for the party or the man etc? It will be interesting to see how many split ticket votes there were and how often Trump was outperformed by Republican candidates for the Senate and how many times Trump did better than the other Republicans on the ticket. That's probably the best way to guage if Trumpism is something which is here to stay I guess. I've not looked at any of those data yet. It's interesting that two of the key traditionally Republican states Trump has (maybe?) lost are two states where he has gone out of his way to personally attack famous politicians of those states - McCain in Arizona and John Lewis in Georgia. Just correlation, I appreciate, but it does get me (and hopefully others) wondering about the balance one needs to strike between bring authentic, which Trump is in bucket loads, and being civil, which, well... You're dead right about the rust belt. It's what the Democrats picked Biden for, and looks justified at the moment. The Republicans will need to respond in kind in four years. I also agree Biden is unlikely to stand in 2024.
Yes, it'll be interesting to see the analysis of Trump's performance as against the Republican candidates, but I still feel that given all the unnecessary nonsense that Trump surrounds himself with daily, including, I agree, making enemies of fellow prominent Republicans, his vote has stood up incredibly well. His approach, his policies are much more important that he is, although it is true that a number of voters still see him as a successful businessman and winner, and are happy to throw their lot in with him.
Do you really think there's such a thing as Trumpism? Trump doesn't stand for anything as far as I can see, other than himself of course. Who's going to come along next time and say 'I'm standing as a racist, sexist, xenophobic climate change denier - vote for me'?
That’ll appeal to a pretty significant minority on its own sadly. Shout about jobs a lot too in four years and whoever it is probably has a good shout. Would’ve guessed the big issue for whoever it is is the demographic shift. Need to appeal more widely than non-college educated white people and Christian nutters.
You've been watching too much HIGNFY, Mock the Week and other BBC political "comedy" shows. Don't look to Jo Brand or Gary Lineker to discover Trumpism There's a huge Trumpism vote in America. It's based on similar issues to Brexit. Voters keeping their identity (both local and national), not having the values they grew up with undermined, feeling that they are not left behind but that someone will fight their cause, protect their jobs, not being lectured to and looked down on by smug multimillionaire celebrities and globalist politicians etc
What's Trump, but a smug multi-millionaire celebrity? I suppose you're right though, there is indeed a big racist xenophobe vote out there.
Yes, but he doesn't prance before a camera repeating dialogue that someone else has written for him. He understands business, and he's a hard negotiator. The only luvvie I can think of who could match that would be George Clooney. The fact that you think that having a local and national identity and wanting someone to fight for your job is racist and xenophobic is exactly what I'd expect from a London liberal elite Corbynite! You still just don't get it
I understand people wanting to protect their jobs, I just don't like racists and xenophobes (or sexists and climate-change deniers, come to that). Oh, and whilst I am indeed from London, I am neither elite nor a Corbynite. Nor do I get my opinions from TV personalities.
I don't believe the majority of Trump voters are racist or xenophobic, any more than Brexit voters were. But they are not no border globalists either. That approach, popular earlier this century, is now failing badly
Thats exactly why certain people on here have a soft spot for Trump. They just try to hide their true feelings and pretend they aren't bothered that he lost.
This. He's added seven million votes to his 2016 tally which shouldn't be ignored. There's a deepening culture divide which has been emerging for quite some time - hard to pinpoint but since the early 2000s at least and accelerated massively by the financial crash - and I think 'Trumpism' is one side of that coin, which Goldie describes. Not sure it will forever be known as 'Trumpism' as it was here before him (see Tea Party) and will outlast him, but he has harnessed its power better than many. Of course being the only President in a long time not to win a second term despite the advantages of incumbency and the nature of the electoral college speaks to some of his deficiencies and the strength of the other side when they can organise properly... It's crude but the two sides are also heavily divided by age - hence Florida become more conservative and Republican and the younger Texan population become more liberal and edging towards becoming a battleground state.
Trump went out of his way to cultivate white supremacists. As with Brexit, not all Trump supporters are racists and xenophobes, but all the racists and xenophobes will have voted for Trump.
I don't necessarily believe that he's right, but I heard a Republican strategist suggest that, due to ongoing changes in demography, Trump could turn out to be the last GOP President.
