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thereisonlyoneno7 said:
Fats does have a point though. The ex leader of the Labour party has just been thrown out over an Anti Semitic undercurrent within the party and his reaction to it. Only a year ago he could have become PM.

I guarantee there would have been pages and pages of quotes, memes etc if this was the leader of the Conservative party.
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Not if it was the ex-leader of the conservative party. When Corbyn was head of labour all you got was papers trying to paint him as a member of the IRA or some other nonsense.

People no longer care to slander when someone no longer holds power as they are not a threat - since Cameron left no one has really spoken about him since - all the heat has been on May & Johnson. If a story of this magnitude had come out about Corbyn when in power, or Starmer now, then it would be 10x bigger.
 
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I do think that the problem, or at least part of it, is Jezza's inability to hold up his hands and say " I made a mistake". Undoubtedly the Tory media used the anti Semitism issue to beat him with, having said that he just isn't smart enough to lead a major party. The one I would like to see thrown out is the clown McClusky.
 
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fatletiss said:
Incredibly quiet in here after today’s report.
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Kier has not learned the way of modern politics. He should have used Johnson's tactics of shoving the report in the bottom draw and refusing to answer questions other than to say "We've moved on from that". Corbyn has lost his job but one must ask what happened to the report on Patel's abuse of her staff which led to the resignation of a senior servant who was abused at her hands. She is still in post and that is shocking. Don't get me started on the disgrace that Demonic Cummings is still in work.

Kier must learn from the right-wing political parties here and in America, that is he must learn to lie through his teeth or make things up.

If he doesn't he will not get elected as the electorate seem to like liars and fools running the country.
 
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Playing devils advocate here. All the comments so far, rather than condemn or even discuss the issues are an attack on the right.

Just saying.
EDIT: Farked has discussed it
 
Farked19 said:
I do think that the problem, or at least part of it, is Jezza's inability to hold up his hands and say " I made a mistake". Undoubtedly the Tory media used the anti Semitism issue to beat him with, having said that he just isn't smart enough to lead a major party. The one I would like to see thrown out is the clown McClusky.
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In all honesty despite there having been so much said about this, over the past couple of years I have to admit to being confused by it all.
I have seen video evidence of anti Semitic claims that were totally false, yet received a huge amount of press prior to them being found to be false claims, with little press talk about them being false.
I agree that Corbyn made mistakes, but I don’t believe that he is anti Semite and the amount of support he has received from some areas of the Jewish community would support that, but that would be countered by the objections from other areas of the Jewish community.
I believe it is possible to be against some of the decisions made by the Israeli government, without being anti Semitic, but if he overstepped the mark, then it needed to be dealt with.
The EHRC listed at least 10 areas where the Labour response to anti semitism, under Corbyn, was better than before, but clearly steps forward weren’t being made quickly enough to satisfy them, which is disappointing.
Someone has already mentioned the Tories are looking into anti Islam complaints against their party, but it is disappointing that the EHRC stopped their own investigation into this, allowing the Tories to set their own agenda, as in not making it just about Islam, but spreading it across other religions in an attempt to dilute the figures.
And I totally agree that the media was used against him, in this matter, as were political affiliations.
 
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Corbyn didn't give Starmer much choice after he said that denying there was an issue will not be tolerated then Corbyn said the claims were exaggerated.
With Starmer you get a typical lawyer response - when a position has been agreed upon, stick to it.
I am not saying that Starmer didn't take a little joy in removing the whip from JC - we will never know, but I am pretty sure he didn't want these headlines, but it has given him the opportunity to show the Jewish community that he means what he says, and that will turn out to be a net positive for the Labour Party once the tabloids have finished having their fill on this story.
I agree JC has built his own bridges in this matter, then burnt them down - I don't believe he is anti-Semitic, but I do believe he has openly defended other people when they have made anti-Semitic comments that were loosely wrapped up in anti-Zion views. He was just not a strong enough leader to chastise friends and colleagues, and now won't apologize or change his mind.
 
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Jeremy Corbyn has made mistakes but he is fundamentally a very decent human being, which is probably not a very good fit in the politics of today, especially in a rampant capitalist society. Many people see Corbyn as a threat to society but in reality he is nothing of the sort, and it really depends on what kind of society we value as to whether we see him as a threat or a catalyst for change. He has been weak in some areas but he is more misunderstood than mistake ridden. I like him a great deal and I don't really see him as a threat to this country at all. There's no doubt he was a threat to the status quo, but things needed to change if we were ever going to have a more balanced society.

People make the mistake in accusing Jeremy Corbyn of being an anti-Semite but the truth is he is an anti-Zionist and there is a huge difference. He is also someone who can see both sides in a situation rather than just the common one-sided view. That is why he didn't come out and condemn the IRA, but neither did Mo Mowlam and she is rightly recognised as perhaps the key politician in bringing about peace in northern Ireland. Blair took the credit but it was Mo Mowlam who did much of the groundwork. Finger pointing and demonising people doesn't solve a problem. It just creates a bigger one.

The rabid media have painted a picture of Jeremy Corbyn that bears no resemblance to the real man, or what he believes in. The Labour Party is now going down the Blair route and with Starmer at the helm they will just be a re-run of what has gone before. There won't be much change, just more political bickering and little actually getting done to help those who really need it. My view is that we missed a once in a lifetime opportunity to elect a progressive Labour government and instead we chose to sell our soul for a bucket full of empty promises based on greed and stupidity.
 
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St. Luigi Scrosoppi said:
What happened to the inquiry into Islamophobia in the Tory Party?

That seem to have been buried in a very deep hole.
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Be careful what you wish for. In view of recent events in France it wouldn't surprise me if it helped the Tory poll ratings. As for Jezza, basically a decent, naive man trying to be a politician in a cynical world. Bad fit.
 
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Farked19 said:
Be careful what you wish for. In view of recent events in France it wouldn't surprise me if it helped the Tory poll ratings. As for Jezza, basically a decent, naive man trying to be a politician in a cynical world. Bad fit.
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Decent? Naive? :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm

Cold, calculated, career politician not adverse to stabbing anyone in the back to get where wanted to go. A rich mans son who’s never done a hard days work in his life and portrays the buffoon purely to get the popular vote. I’d love to have a chat with the mothers of his many children or the ex-wife he cheated on when she was undergoing chemo. I bet they’d tell some home truths.
Sadly, the media have played their part in getting him elected by painting him as harmless. He’s single handedly done more damage to this country than any other politician ....
Oh .... by the way .... I’m not a fan of his :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
davecg69 said:
Decent? Naive? :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm

Cold, calculated, career politician not adverse to stabbing anyone in the back to get where wanted to go. A rich mans son who’s never done a hard days work in his life and portrays the buffoon purely to get the popular vote. I’d love to have a chat with the mothers of his many children or the ex-wife he cheated on when she was undergoing chemo. I bet they’d tell some home truths.
Sadly, the media have played their part in getting him elected by painting him as harmless. He’s single handedly done more damage to this country than any other politician ....
Oh .... by the way .... I’m not a fan of his :emoticon-0105-wink:
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Bit puzzled Dave, I think Farked is referring to Jezza Corbyn not the incompetent incumbent in number 10. Not my cuppa tea either, not my cup of anything.
 
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I agree Jeremy Corbyn is probably a nice guy. In my lifetime we have had 2 'far left' leaders of the Labour Party, Michael Foot and Jeremy Corbyn. Both have been heavily defeated in General Elections, leaving the opposition needing to rebuild. We can't change things in opposition. Much, but not all that the Blair government did pre Iraq was good. I think Keir Starmer is farther left than Blair.
All Jeremy Corbyn had to do was keep his head down. Was it to much to expect ?When an independent enquiry report from a reputable organisation is published that does not criticise individuals, but finds problems within the organisation/party.
 
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StJabbo1 said:
Bit puzzled Dave, I think Farked is referring to Jezza Corbyn not the incompetent incumbent in number 10. Not my cuppa tea either, not my cup of anything.
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Yes, that confused me too. I thought of Pfeffel straight away. I must admit that I know little about the private life of The Corbster.
 
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