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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    You should have heard the interview that I did tonight. He might not have said it out loud but what he did was enough to conivince a few Jewish Labour people. No defence for the bloke now.
     
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  2. Stroller

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    Try again. Come on, you can do this.
     
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  3. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    LABOUR VOTERS
    Right decision - 41%
    Wrong decision - 26%

    okay I get you now. still 26%?
     
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  4. Stroller

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    <doh>
     
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  5. Star of David Bardsley

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    Neither of those numbers are over half.

    I only got a B in my maths A Level though.
     
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  6. Willhoops

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    You've called him both racist and anti semitic can you please provide quotes to prove that? You know I can with Johnson. Anyway, I'll admit that I've not heard the interview and as I think most people have said he did not act and certainly wasn't vocal enough when the reports were coming out originally, looks like he is on his way out, it's good to see Starmer act and suspend party members when they are suspected of inappropriate actions, if only more party leaders would do the same hey.
     
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  7. ELLERS

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    I just looked at both percentages. oh well
     
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  8. ELLERS

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    Go away you silly little apologist. All the rubbish people spouted at me because I said he had a problem with jews. Well he has and It's been proven. Don't try and defend the indefensible. Your pin-up boy is guilt and if you take your rose tinted glasses off or pull the wool out of your ears you may learn something. Just read some of the EHRC report and what it says.
     
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  9. Willhoops

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    It is very funny considering you used to rip on Abbott for her slips with numbers, and yet you took some time and prompts to understand something that is usually mastered by a 5 year old, your mates down the Cottage would not be impressed :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  10. ELLERS

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    Ah Bless the Chelsea boy is trying it on with me 'Mates down the cottage' sadly for you plenty on here know I go to Rangers both home and away whereas you....mmm... name changes, similar to another poster who was Chelsea?
     
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  11. Willhoops

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    26%<laugh>

    You seem to be a little embarrassed and angry that you've made a bit of tit of yourself.

    I'm not apologising for him, I'm just asking you to provide direct evidence of things you have directly accused him of, which... you haven't

    If you wan't to criticise him for his lack of action, lack of speaking out against anti semitism in regards to this, I'd absolutely agree and he should be held accountable for that, which should probably see him out of the party, but you are not. Maybe ask Rupert and Tarquin they might be able to talk you through this
     
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    Right I can deal with your pathetic jokes and have just responded in type, but again you are now making accusations about me that are, let's face it, ****ish, you do know I've met a mod from this board right? And something you do know is this has been gone through before. Why do you go to this sort of nonsense when you've made a total arse of yourself.

    I'm happy to make a bet with you, we can get the mods/supermods to check the accounts IP addresses etc.. If I'm found to be the other fella who was Chelsea, I'll leave the forum and never come back, if I'm found to be someone completely different, you leave yeah?

    Sounds like a fair bet to me
     
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  13. ELLERS

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    Thing is Wills (whoever you are this week) I'm not embarressed because I didn't make myself clear on the percentage. I am more embarrassed for you trying to take attention off the racist Jezza. People who have worked with him for years have called him anti-semite. Some in The Jewish council have said the same. You don't need to shout out 'I hate jews' to have a problem with them? He clearly has. That was proven today. You carry on supporting him because you will be shooting yourself in the foot... a bit like you Facebook 0% rubbish. I am not surprised you would be the one trying to support him.
     
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    :emoticon-0159-musicBlue is the colour :emoticon-0159-music I wish I had my full range of emojis
     
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    I said he should probably leave the party and that's me supporting him?
     
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    I really think we should take this to it's conclusion, happy to take on my bet?
     
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    Editorial: Jeremy Corbyn's suspension is a declaration of war
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    Jeremy Corbyn waves to supporters after speaking at a 2019 general election rally outside Bristol City Council in Bristol last December

    JEREMY CORBYN’S suspension from the Labour Party is a declaration of war by the leadership against all socialists.

    It throws down the gauntlet to the entire left to rally in defence of the leader who brought socialism back as a major force in British politics.

    The ostensible reason for Corbyn’s suspension rests on a sleight of hand by which anyone who dares to query contentious allegations is deemed guilty of the claims under dispute. So for making the widely shared observation that “the scale of the problem [of anti-semitism in the Labour Party] was dramatically overstated for political reasons,” Corbyn is labelled “part of the problem.”

    As a lawyer, Keir Starmer is well aware that this is a travesty of justice more akin to the proceedings of a witch hunt than any semblance of due process.

    He does not care, because the decision to suspend his predecessor is not motivated by Corbyn’s response to the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC’s) report. It rests on the calculation that the new leadership is now strong enough to expunge the left’s influence from the party altogether.

    A key factor in that calculation is undoubtedly that Labour’s internal democracy has been largely suspended since March’s lockdown, with branches unable to properly meet and heavily policed in what they are and are not allowed to do.

    The chaos engendered by the pandemic, with restrictions on public activity around the country, make it difficult for the left to mobilise the kind of game-changing solidarity rallies that displayed its relative strength during episodes like 2016’s “chicken coup” by MPs (who included Starmer) trying to subvert the members’ vote and depose Corbyn.

    And the right’s trump card is that a likely reaction by many left-wing members – to quit the party in disgust – does not bother them. Establishment politicians do not approve of mass politics.

    A far smaller Labour Party, funded by millionaire donors as the Tories are, which competes with the latter for the job of most competent manager of the status quo once every five years would suit their purposes far better than an unruly mass membership organisation packed with activists who want to change the world.

    Even so, socialist members will be sick of exhortations to “stay and fight,” especially given the necessity of paying membership fees to an organisation that seeks to silence their voices and defame the few MPs who represent their views.

    Whether or not individuals decide to stay, it is incumbent on all of us to fight — or all of us who recognise the need to challenge a capitalist system that is removing our livelihoods, starving our children and poisoning our planet.

    We must stand by the most anti-racist leader the Labour Party has ever had, Jeremy Corbyn, and comrades who are the victims of an appalling smear campaign and insist that Labour and trade union figures do so too.

    It is absurd to suggest that this indicates tolerance for anti-semitism, which Corbyn has always condemned and fought.

    It does not even mean a blanket rejection of the EHRC report, which itself notes problems of racism in other parties, contains useful recommendations for changing procedures and acknowledges the importance of previous investigations, such as the much-maligned Shami Chakrabarti report.

    Nor should the report be granted unqualified acceptance, given its tendency to stretch the boundaries of the English language (for example by defining “repeatedly saying that allegations of anti-semitism were fabricated” – the expression of an opinion that might or might not be justifiable in any given context – as somehow constituting “harassment.”)

    But the report’s pros and cons pale beside the political use to which it is being put — the destruction of the Labour left in order to return the party to uncritical support of British imperialism and the capitalist system at a time of profound social and economic crisis.

    Everyone opposed to that outcome must stand with Jeremy Corbyn.
     
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  20. Star of David Bardsley

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    Three people got stabbed in Wandsworth too tonight by the way.
     
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