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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    It's telling that they haven't said which rule Corbyn broke to earn his suspension

    Probably because the "rule" he broke was getting his retaliation in before Starmer had issued his statement
     
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    Why walk? It's amateurish from Corbyn. He played right into his critics' hands and left Starmer with little sensible choice.
     
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    I'm sure Lisa Nandy will be suspended for these comments, right Keir?

    Sort of like Rosie Duffield was suspended for channelling her inner Graham Linehan a few weeks ago...right?
     
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    What was the rest of her sentence?
     
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    Seriously?
    The report is 99% damning but you quote the 1% that isn't. Labour was found to have acted unlawfully on several grounds.
    I agree with almost all Corbyn's policies but he isn't a leader and should never have stood. His reaction to this demonstrates that.
     
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    Approximately four strawmen at the same time

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    So she's attacking anti-Semitism and the clip's very dishonest, then?
     
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    At which part of the full quote did she attack antisemitism? Was it the part where she said all people on the left equate jewish people with privilege and power?

    Nothing in her quote attacks antisemitism
     
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    It clearly does. The whole thing does.
     
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    It clearly doesn't, not when the basis of her argument is saying everyone on the left equates jewish people with power and privilege so therefore sees them as a valid target, which is such a strawman that Edward Woodward is currently being led into it
     
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    She explicitly didn't say "everyone on the left". "There are people on the left" and "the narrative that anti-Semites use".
     
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    She uses a clear and obvious strawman argument to smear those on the left, and invokes an anti-semitic trope while doing so
     
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    What's the strawman?
     
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    "There are people on the left"

    Strawman 101
     
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    There aren't people on the left? Ok, then...
     
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    Come on, you know exactly what she was doing there: using a strawman argument, which that was a clear example of, to try and paint all of Momentum as antisemites

    And it really has to be said, why does Starmer let Nandy speak in public at all? Considering that just last month she apparently forgot she isn't Jayda Fransen when appearing on the Today programme where she said...

    ...while back in February she had two horror shows on trans rights, once on GMB and once on Radio 4 where she falsely labelled Women's Place UK a trans-exclusionary hate group (which went as well as can be expected), if she's not making borderline libellous comments she's instead sounding like somebody who walked through the wrong door on the way into Commons and nobody has noticed yet
     
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    What's the strawman? She didn't mention Momentum or even hint at them.

    I don't really care about Nandy and know nothing of WPUK, so I've no idea what that was about. I didn't read about it at the time.
    Her comments on Britain are clearly an attempt to address Labour's image as being unpatriotic or even anti-British or anti-Western, though.
    It's a very unpopular position and something that Corbyn was bashed on endlessly. It should be avoided, if possible.
     
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    Where does the image on the left come from?
     
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