Off Topic The Politics Thread

Totally doesn't understand this debate. You are so out of touch Ellers it's crazy. I dont believe for one second that you help children in any capacity. You're full of ****.

 

You really need to wake up? I always thought you were smarter than the usual suspects? You are sounding just like them., Watford rather than read the Limps Local try and read up on other commentators and reporters that are not some lefty leftover from a forgotten past.

 

Coronavirus: 67% back 'circuit breaker' lockdown - and 61% don't trust PM on pandemic, Sky News poll suggests

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...m-on-pandemic-sky-news-poll-suggests-12108347

 

It's not free school meals, Bob. Those are in place. It's free meals in the holidays. Personally, I agree with you and think the government should do more on this issue. The government are concerned it sends out a message of Big Government, which is then responsible for paying for children's upbringing rather than the parents. But with the pandemic, we are in extraordinary times, so they should recognise this.

Problem I see is timing. Right in the middle of crucial Brexit talks, where Boris has forced the EU to acknowledge we are a sovereign state and that they must compromise and come back to the table, he won't want to be seen to do another U turn.

 

You really need to get out more if you count yourself as normal.

Try a wee trip up the M1 or M6 and see how "normal" you truly are.

 

Fortunately various councils, business and individuals have come to the aid of the poor kids so Johnson can focus on the important stuff.

 

Councils have been funded by government so they should indeed step up to the plate. They will know individual circumstances of families in their area better than Westminster

 

That was from Monday 19th? try and keep up Stroller you know how things are changing daily.

 

Why?

 

I think you know that’s not the point. The holy Brexit is still on course.

 

Spot bloody on! Westminster just gives out the money and expects local councils to spend it wisely?... Maybe that £1M statue of some weird artist doesn't seem important now? Well it probably will to some?

 

The headline is right in the context of the article as it is another 'Bash the Tory' campaign. On this occasion the government for the sake of however many millions it would have cost have missed a golden opportunity to show a more 'human' side and rightly have taken flak. As you say if it's right v wrong it's obvious but it seems they are determined to save face and misjudging the public mood on this has clearly damaged them. Once this is done there'll be another campaign about something else following on. It seems this is how politics will be played out in the modern era with social media which has helped polarise opinions towards the extremes. The vast majority of people sit somewhere between the two and deserve a voice in all of this but it doesn't generate headlines for the 24/7 newshounds who must dictate the agenda that suits their slant on things and having two sides at each others throats is the way they like it.

If only there were a credible middle ground party but the LibDems are out with the fairies, Starmer is trying to move towards there but his own party are the biggest handicap in achieving that. Very depressing...

 

Actually maybe if the council hadn't spent so much money on cleaning up statues after those soap dodgers vandalised and graffitied them that some thought was a good idea then the councils may have had the extra money?
Councils' graffiti clean-ups cost £290,000

Nelson statue vandalism cost £2,400 to clean up
https://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/new...g-vandalised-nelson-statue-revealed-1-6803882

 

Anyone who can't distinguish between adults, who have fallen on hard times through their own poor choices (although obviously not always) and children, who should never go hungry as a result of poor decisions by their guardians, really isn't worth engaging with.

If anyone were to apply a Rawlsian veil of ignorance type test to this issue, it's hard to believe anyone would choose for kids to go hungry, even if that's their parents' fault, which is how some are coming across.

Still can't believe quite how badly the Govt are handling the politics of this. Especially after the exams fiasco - not exactly sending out the message that they give a shiny £&!t about the next generations.

 

For an ‘awake’ Telegraph reader you don’t half post a lot of ****e that would be more at home in The Sun.

 

I agree that the Brexit talks are taking a lot of Boris's attention. This is the critical time. But I'm not sure that it affects the principle that he wants to establish re kids meals in school holidays. If we weren't in the middle of a pandemic with recession looming, I'd go along with that, but these are exceptional times.

There may be a way of avoiding a U turn, by giving councils additional funds

 

Try getting out of your cosy coccooned corner of South East England.

 

Spot on Sooper. It's not about the school meals it's more about the politics and point scoring behind it. You are also correct, in that next week it will be something else the government has done wrong? It plays into the laps of the "we hate the Tories mob". This is why people like me and many many others in the country are just turning off to these stories. If you keep crying wolf people will not listen. The school meals is a very important issue but gets lost in the politics. The Tories are told that they are not caring, which couldn't be further from the truth. Plenty of Tories have done some outstanding work with charities and other organisations without all the media attention. Sadly this overlooked in cheap memes of a bloke putting a bit of paper on a door?
This ploy by Labour and the MSM of keep attacking the government will backfire. Starmer's political lockdown ploy has now been shot down in flames. We will come out of this and Starmer will be left with egg on his face. He would have done better to support the government and if things go wrong then say we supported you and you let us down?
As for the misjudgment of the public mood... in this case they have be slow and will no doubt u-turn. People move on and in the future people will vote on who they believe will do a better job and most importantly how the economy is doing. It wasn't long ago that the Tories were getting bashed about food banks and austerity but once the election came they won but an historic total. Once the chips are down people are not as stupid as some think.

 

What has that got to do with anything? When I was a kid my family struggled and got by. When I left school I worked my socks off to get a job when there weren't many about. I then went to Uni and uni again over 5 years where I hardly had the funds to eat or pay the extortionate rent. I scarified a lot to then find another job and through my years of working I have had times when my family have had no money but I kept working and sacrificing stuff. A few years of hard working I now live in a nice town in Berkshire. If I can do it so should others. Sorry but people shouldn't knock others because of a few headlines in a paper.

 

Quite - or by extending Universal Credit for qualifying families over the holidays etc, and get Rashford to do a report on longer term solutions to kick it into the long grass etc etc. Quite a few ways to do this without looking like they've U-turned.