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Match Thread: Southampton v Watford

Discussion in 'Watford' started by geitungur akureyrar, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    In my experience, even the ones who have are plastic :)
     
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  2. SAINTDON13

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    Highlights on Saints Player now, including the incredible missed chance by Hogg early doors.
     
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  3. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    You are half right babe!

    Actually Oscar Hammerstein II wrote the lyrics. The music was written by Richard Rodgers, one of the best composers of musicals in the 20th Century. If you ever get the time or inclination to listen to the original (in the film Carousel), you will find that the "version" Gerry and the Pacemakers did is, more or less, exactly the same as in the musical (same words, rhythm etc.) but with guitars.....

    Richard Rodgers collaborated with a number of lyricists, the most famous of whom were Oscar Hammerstein and before him Lorenz Hart. Musicals composed by him & Hammerstein include Oklahoma, South Pacific, The King & I and the Sound of Music.

    Rodgers was a sort of Lloyd-Webber, only with talent.
     
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  4. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    I have listened to both, the Key is different, the tempo and the lyrics do change. A cover version is never the same as the original. Hence the name.
     
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  5. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    If Gerry had sung it in a minor key, twice as slow, with completely different words and a different chorus, then perhaps I would say it was a different version. But as a cover version, it's very similar to the original (viz. Phil Collins and "You can't Hurry Love"). There's very little that was changed from the original and Gerry Marsden would be the first to admit it.

    Why fix something that ain't broke.....
     
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  6. babyhornetdan

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    But my point is the cover version would have been re-written in the lower Key and at the faster tempo. It is the Gerry and the Pacemakers version.
     
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  7. ImpSaint

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    Lol. Can Dire Straits/Mark Knopfler claim the opening of Tunnel of love 'The Carousel Waltz' as their own now then. It's in a different key too he, he.

    It's quite simple. The person who wrote the original wrote it. The person who covers it whether or not they have altered the key or re-arranged it is covering it not writing it. So 'when he wrote it' doesn't work there.

    Quite simple really unless you want to give Simon Cowell's team of X-Factor re-arrangers a huge amount of credit for each 2 minute shortened version and each single's umpteen added key changes from the original. lol

    Come on guys talk about football. I've been chuckling away at an 80 page long thread started in March this year on a palace forum where some silly southampton poster is boasting about some rich club he supports (Saints) that are paying everybody 20k a year are definitely increasing the stadia to 50k, are one of the biggest 12 teams in England, and will be competing in the Champions league some time soon :)

    I hope the latter is true and would be nice to believe. lol

    and the even more silly Palace fans that rise to the bait and (bear in mind this is last March) belittle the silly Saints boaster telling him Saints are in L1 and not going to get auto promotion, then later say AOC will only get 5m or less with unfeasible add ons, and then say we will do nothing in the Championship.

    Let us not get to that point where Saints fans start boasting about things. And let's not have the opposition retaliating with comments that may come back to haunt them :)

    I like Watford. Always been a cool team even with Elton in charge. Remember him at Wembley looking like he came straight out of the 'im still standing' video. lol

    Andy
     
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  8. Hornette_TID

    Hornette_TID Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    :) i like Saints fans...seems like we agree ;)
     
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  9. ImpSaint

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    And every week many times at Anfield it is 're-written' again......that is unless the chant leader in the Kop has his barber shop gazoo to make sure it is sung in the right key :)
     
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  10. Hornette_TID

    Hornette_TID Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    <laugh>
     
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  11. Norwayhornet

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    Met a load of very friendly ones whilst being done here!
     
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  12. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

    St. Luigi Scrosoppi Well-Known Member

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    Ted Bates wrote " Oh when the Saints go Marching in".

    Not many people know that.
     
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  13. ImpSaint

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    I didn't mention a metronome to make sure it is in the correct time because that is a given ;) how can any chant leader be without their metronome
     
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  14. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    Gerry and the Pacemakers wrote "You'll never walk alone"?

    I ask you when did we stop educating people in this country?

    About 1970 onwards me thinks.

    Thank goodness I was educated in the 1950's
     
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  15. ImpSaint

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    I knew that and I was educated in the late eighties :)

    How?

    I said the same thing to my Mum years and years ago and she put me right (music teacher) then a while later when she heard me listening to some Dire Straits she said 'That's the Carousel Waltz.

    I was a young boy and they hadn't seen me with any girlfriends yet so maybe worried I was getting into musicals. lol
     
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  16. babyhornetdan

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    But it is not re-written, its just sung differently. They would have had to have written a new score for it.
     
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  17. Hornette_TID

    Hornette_TID Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Dan hon...You'll never walk alone hasn't been re-written...it's the same song, altered. It's what people do with covers. Trust me, i know these things ;)
     
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  18. Norwayhornet

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    <laugh>
     
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  19. babyhornetdan

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    We may have to agree to disagree, or move this to skype.
     
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  20. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

    St. Luigi Scrosoppi Well-Known Member

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    I am quite warming to these Watford supporters. They seem a jolly good lot.
     
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