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Yet more PL greed

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Albert's Chip Shop, Oct 11, 2020.

  1. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    Nev, you'll be pleased to know that the 'future you' (the one that I know) is slim and fit.

    Still a twat, just not a fat twat.:emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  2. General Lee Speaking

    General Lee Speaking Well-Known Member

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    What's in it for us? Nowt as far I can see. We get put in a position where a handful of clubs can block a takeover at will and we aren't even in the top 9 clubs which can vote. Do we give away some of our wealth too?
     
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  3. AgentofAlnwick

    AgentofAlnwick Well-Known Member

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    We should be very grateful if they allow us to occasionally play football with their vastly superior players.
     
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  4. JakartaToon

    JakartaToon Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The EFL has no say in this whatsoever anyway as its up to the members of the PL, which are the 20 teams currently in it. They are only behind it anyway as it gives them money and 90% of them have no hope of getting in the PL anyway so any rule changes to make it harder don't affect them.

    I would hope that the PL votes to:

    1) give the EFL the 25% revenue share
    2) modify the parachute payments so that they are only in place for 1 year or not at all
    3) sticks with the 3 up: 3 down promotion/relegation system
     
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  5. JakartaToon

    JakartaToon Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Who actually are the 9 clubs and how are these selected?

    If its based on current PL clubs with longest uninterrupted spell in the PL then it is:
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Everton
    Liverpool
    Man Utd
    Spurs
    Man City
    West Ham
    Southampton

    If it was on current PL clubs with most seasons played in PL
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Everton
    Liverpool
    Man Utd
    Spurs
    Aston Villa
    Newcastle
    West Ham

    If you did it on current PL clubs all time PL league table based on results
    Man Utd
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Liverpool
    Spurs
    Everton
    Man City
    Newcastle
    Aston Villa

    In each of these option the team that won it less than 5 years ago is excluded.
     
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  6. Toonitus

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    I believe there is a reason they've tried to find a system to ensure nufc was not in the 9 and I believe its takeover related
     
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  7. JakartaToon

    JakartaToon Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Of course they wont want more powerful clubs but I think its more to do with having control over the structure, rules and finances of the Premier League. They currently have no more power than a Burnley, Brighton or West Brom when it comes to voting rights and they feel that is not right as they feel they are the clubs that bring in the mega-money deals.

    I suspect if this went through, when the Sky Deal ends, they would look at negotiating individually for viewing rights as they feel that the current split doesn't reflect the fact that far more people both nationally and globally want to watch Man Utd vs Liverpool rather than Us vs Burnley.
     
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  8. Toonitus

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    A last ditch effort to keep PIF out and it's failed

    It's happening
     
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  9. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

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    The sky and Bt money and possibly even overseas money could theoretically be split based on viewing numbers could it not?

    Takeovers should specifically not be voted on. It’s clearly open to manipulation by any potential vested party.

    There is no need to change the current setup in my opinion. If your in the PL you should have an equal vote. Regardless of size of club. If it’s about revenue streams then that can be addressed.
     
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  10. JakartaToon

    JakartaToon Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    But if there is one vote per club its more difficult to force through any changes to revenue split. The way it is set up at the moment is fair enough - it encourages competition, allowing teams with lower commercial revenue streams to compete with the big boys. The top 4 probably aren't bothered too much - they generate a significant amount of broadcasting income through involvement in Champions League. Those that don't qualify are the ones that suffer.
     
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  11. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think there should be a vote for changes to revenue split. I think it should be imposed. Simple supply and demand. Could be on viewing numbers or more weighted based on position in the league. This would encourage teams to actually try and win games rather than Park the bus.
     
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  12. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Imposed by who? The PL is the 20 clubs, nothing more. And no changes can be made without 14 clubs voting for it.

    You already get more based on league position and how many times are shown. Throw in viewing figures and the gap gets bigger and bigger.
     
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  13. JakartaToon

    JakartaToon Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Agree - we should be looking to increase the competitiveness of the PL. I would actually try and come up with a system that tries and rewards teams for playing attractive attacking football so, as well as the position based payment, have another bonus for number of shots or time spent in opponents half over a season. Trouble is if we did that we would end up owing them money.
     
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  14. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    Another table we would be bottom of
     
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  15. Wuffler

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    This whole Premiership debacle has become Orwellian, like in the novel Animal Farm.
    All clubs are equal but some clubs are more equal than others. Twats!
     
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  16. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    A lovely thought but who will impose this? The PL and the clubs are already in control. All they are wanting is more control. The body you are talking about is now a defunct organisation - The FA. I'm not sure what the point of The FA is nowadays. It should be governing the game in this country and should be populated with solid football and community people. The problem is they were a corrupt set of old bastards, who sold off the crown jewels. It should go all the way back, complete reversal, but it won't.
     
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  17. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    ****ing hell. Rafa and Brucie would have got us **** all in bonus payments. You've literally come up with a system that suits us the least of any possible solution.
     
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  18. Charlie Dogscock

    Charlie Dogscock Well-Known Member

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    And Sam Allardyce would have had to pay a fortune for fines against football.
     
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  19. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

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    Some ideas I'd like to see explored:

    - Devolve the PL, 14 "other" clubs get back with the FA to create an English First Division.
    - Add four/six teams (one season, 4/6 teams up from the Champ, no relegation) to create an 18/20 club top flight, reduce each of the leagues underneath as well to 22 clubs.
    - Restructure League's One and Two into North/South instead, to reduce overhead, carbon, costs for fans, etc. Every year four clubs go up, four come down, no more playoff bullshit.
    - Ban any non English FA clubs (i.e. the "big 6") from loaning players to clubs affiliated to the English FA (good luck keeping all those players happy, "big 6")
    - Home nations can only select players from clubs in the English FA system, the Euro "Super League" players are excluded.
    - League Cup is a competition only for non top-flight clubs. Maybe even just a regionalised tournament.

    Basically, take all of the problem clubs - Man U, Madrid, PSG, etc. - from each division and let them create their "Super league", but they get NONE of the benefits associated to in-country leagues. Let them be an exclusive club, almost a different sport really. NFL-style for the brainless, and give the real fans their clubs back. They can still set up academies, but the academies can only play the other teams academies in their Super League. They can still come in and buy players, during a very small transfer window, but will always be charged a premium with a 20% transfer tax added to be distributed throughout the leagues.

    TV rights can also be distributed more fairly.
     
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  20. AgentofAlnwick

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    You mean no public flaying alive of Parry, Henry, Keyes and anyone, ever, associated with ManU?
     
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