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  1. Zanjinho

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    And rightly so
     
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    England are crap. Dier is especially crap. Who does a tackle like that in the penalty area!
     
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    An England midfield containing Hendo and Rice in the middle is not going to be the most creative. Mount is barely a Prem player and certainly not international quality. Best we can hope for is Hendo and Trent coming through without getting injured.

    Lukaku is having a blinder. Seems to play better at international level, possibly because he has better players around him which gives him more room. He also seems to have lost a bit of weight.
     
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    I haven't read any of the details of this, but anything that seeks to preserve the status of elite clubs gets a big no from me.
     
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    I think that's essentially what it is but they're pushing it as a lifeline for lower league clubs that are struggling financially, particular under the current crisis.
     
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    while Dier shouldn't have gone to ground that is a foul by Lukaku . For some reason it has become accepted to give fouls to the players who decide to ignore the ball and instead concentrate on the oppo player .

    Bit of an "obsession" with me .
     
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  7. RogerisontheHunt

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    From the BBC
    • The Premier League cut from 20 to 18 clubs, with the Championship, League One and League Two each retaining 24 teams.
    • The bottom two teams in the Premier League relegated automatically with the 16th-placed team joining the Championship play-offs.
    • The League Cup and Community Shield abolished.
    • Parachute payments scrapped.
    • A £250m rescue fund made immediately available to the EFL
    • £100m paid to the FA to make up for lost revenue.
    • Nine clubs given 'special voting rights' on certain issues, based on their extended runs in the Premier League.
    Not sure what benefit this would be for anyone really, other than cutting down on games.

    However this is the one area that American owners just don't get about football. Fact is American sports don't do relegation or cups (outisde of the league system) so probably don't understand why the big clubs should run the risk of relegation (in fact this is very unlikely to happen anyway)

    I'm surprised they didn't suggest that PL clubs should be allowed to own lower league clubs similar to how American 'franchises' own 2nd tier clubs in the US
     
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    I think FSG have done a really good job with us, but I agree they are clueless when it comes to understanding the traditions of football and the relationship between club and fans. I hope they get put in their place over this. They might own clubs, but they can't be allowed to own the game, and just turn it into their own preferred business model.
    Those proposals just look like protectionist moves on the part of the elite clubs. "Special voting rights" for certain clubs is a shockingly bad idea as far as I'm concerned.
    And even though we don't take the League Cup seriously any more, to propose ditching it is just wrong. Although the Community Shield is a meaningless trophy imo, the occasion is still a worthwhile curtain-opener to get the season going.
    Football has a special place in our culture and they still have a lot to learn about this.
     
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    Liverpool and MU's proposal is a blatant power grab by the richest clubs, only made slightly more palatable by a £250m sweetener to the EFL. The EFL clubs are almost bankrupt so they'll cling to this lifeline.

    Ultimately the big 6 or 9 will grab most of the broadcast money and form a European super league of which they'll be permanent members.

    Shabby and opportunistic.
     
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    The £250m was just immediate funds. There would also be 25% of PL revenue.
     
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    I read £100m immediate, £250m in advance and 25% thereafter
     
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    25% of PL revenue guaranteed is a no brainer for the lower leagues. It's huge money and I reckon they would happily accept that money in exchange for scrapping the league cup.

    PL revenue is mostly coming from big clubs anyway so they're the ones 'footing the bill' so I understand where they are coming from. As much as I want LFC to have more power (for my own evil reasons), something just doesn't sit right with having that power concentrated by a select few. It reeks of the elitist culture in Britain today where wealthy families control the land and has stayed with them for centuries, and will continue to do.
     
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    How do you work that out? The TV cash is the value of the PL product and any share of that to the EFL is from the collective not the larger clubs.

    The carrot of the larger slice means precisely nothing. The ‘big 6’ United and Liverpool want to anoint will literally have all the power to do as they wish. They could change the amount paid to the EFL at a stroke.

    This entire thing is nothing but a sinister power grab dressed up as ‘saving the game’. It’s a ****ing disgrace that both clubs and Parry have chosen to release this patently without PL approval and agreement.
     
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    Because no one wants to pay to watch the likes of Burnley and Everton, with all due respect. The value of the PL is as a result of the big clubs. Take the big clubs out of the league and you have no product. They will be able to self sustain in their own breakaway.
     
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    Off you pop then <ok>
     
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    At the end of the day, everyone is self serving. You only had to look at last season during COVID where certain club chairmans wanted to null and void the season because they wanted to avoid relegation.
     
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    Really not sure why so many are getting so wound up about this as i fail to see why a minimum of 5 existing PL would vote through a proposal which removes their full voting rights .
     
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    Just to reiterate - I'm not saying that these big clubs should get more voting rights based on their stature and wealth. Just merely saying why I understand why they think they should.
     
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    This is trying to be Part 2 in the history of the Premier League. Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal, Spurs and utd pushed for a breakaway from the EFL so they could make more money. They made more money. There was no social media then for fans to make their voices heard. Can anybody remember that and what they thought at the time about the greed of the clubs wanting the breakaway?

    I think the proposals are an opportunity for a conversation about change. For me that change wouldn't include a select few with more power than the rest. It's either all for one and one for all or it isn't.
     
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    Nobody pays to see Liverpool or Man Utd if there is no one for them to play against
     
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