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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

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  1. Goldhawk-Road

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    I agree, there'd have to be central coordination but the principle is good. Germany would probably be a good precedent, because it combines federal and state decision making. I think you're right about Sturgeon at the briefings. Johnson and Co have seen the problem and have recently appointed Allegra Stratton as press secretary to interface with the media, in the same way Kayleigh McEnany does for Trump.
     
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    Exactly, localised decision-making and localised test, track and trace systems would have been much more successful than what we've had from the government.
     
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  3. ELLERS

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    You need to know your history Watford.
    What is it with people on this site... history didn't just start when the Tories were in power.
    Once you have educated yourself on this point come back. I don't know what's more stupid... the comment or the like? <doh>
     
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  4. Star of David Bardsley

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    Go on then. Which bit do you disagree with, as much as that emoji demonstrates your undoubted knowledge on this topic?
     
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    1998 human rights act who was in power? I don't think it was Tory mate.
     
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    Doesn’t answer the question whatsoever. The self-proclaimed party of law and order allowed a backlog of 40000 cases to build up pre-Covid.

    You know it’s 2020 now and Labour haven’t been in charge for some time?
     
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    why do we get a build up of cases? ask why simple crimes go through the ECJ and what would normally be settled quickly gets dragged out with a Human rights plea and other time-consuming antics. Just read up on the complete breakdown of the system. That's why the Tories want to get rid of it.
     
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    however, I will agree the system of late is a shambles.
     
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  9. kiwiqpr

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    Disappointing 2.1% growth in August, despite "eat out" subsidies, leaves UK economy 9.2% smaller than February.
     
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    Darren Grimes under police investigation after David Starkey interview
    Commentator to be interviewed on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred over comments made by historian

    Darren Grimes is being investigated by police on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred over an interview with the historian David Starkey that he published, it has emerged.

    Mr Grimes, a conservative commentator, has been asked to attend a police station to be interviewed under caution after publishing a podcast in which Dr Starkey said slavery was not genocide because there are "so many damn blacks".

    It has been warned that the investigation, by the Metropolitan Police, will have a "chilling effect" on free speech, while Mr Grimes has described it as an "abuse of taxpayers money".

    Mr Grimes is accused of a public order offence of stirring up racial hatred by publishing the interview on his podcast on July 2, The Telegraph can reveal. He has since apologised, while Dr Starkey's career lies in ruins, with the historian set to lose all his academic titles and book deals.

    Mr Grimes said in a statement: "At a time when many in our country are facing uncertainty and financial hardship, I cannot imagine a more contemptible way for the Metropolitan Police to abuse taxpayers' money and the trust of citizens then by investigating this vexatious claim."

    He said the threat of arrest has "serious repercussions for freedom of expression". His solicitor, Luke Gittos, of Murrays Partnership, said it was an
    "unprecedented use of Public Order legislation".

    Mr Grimes is being supported by the Free Speech Union (FSU), which has described the accusation against him as "absurd".

    The interview provoked furious backlash when it was published on the YouTube channel Reasoned UK in the summer.

    In the days after making his comments during a discussion of the Black Lives Matter Movement, Dr Starkey lost his academic positions at Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge and Canterbury Christ Church University. HarperCollins, which had been expected to publish two more of his history books, said it was cancelling their release.

    Toby Young, the General Secretary of the FSU, said: "The only hatred Dr Starkey stirred up was against himself. Mr Grimes himself publicly apologised for having broadcast Dr Starkey's remarks, saying that he 'should have robustly questioned Dr Starkey about his comments'.

    "Plainly, Mr Grimes would never have made this announcement if he had intended to stir up racial hatred in the course of a broadcast only days earlier."

    Mr Young questioned whether journalists would now be arrested over comments made by their interviewees and asked if similar action was being taken against a Sky News presenter who was interviewing the rapper Wiley when he made offensive comments about Jewish people.

    He added: "In a free and democratic society, it is paramount that journalists and broadcasters are permitted to interview a wide range of people, including those likely to make controversial remarks.

    "Threatening them with arrest if their interviewees say something offensive will have a chilling effect on free speech, which is the lifeblood of democracy."

    The public order offence which Mr Grimes is accused of carries a maximum penalty of seven years in prison.

    Scotland Yard said: "On July 4, the Metropolitan Police Service was passed an
    allegation from Durham Police of a public order offence relating to a social media video posted online on June 30. The matter is currently being investigated. No arrests.”

    The Telegraph understands that Dr Starkey has not been contacted by police.
     
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    The guy is little more than a patsy. Still a horrible little **** the world would be far better off without but a patsy nonetheless.
     
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    Jesus wept!
     
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    is this butthuber
     
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    David Starkey’s comments were appalling.

    But, the idea that it’s appropriate to go after journalists for the remarks of their interviewees is plainly absurd.

    For the sake of our cherished free press, I hope
    @metpoliceuk
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    That’s not what’s happened though. The comments weren’t aired live. Grimes, technically an adult but mainly the biscuit in every game of Soggy Tory Biscuit, has decided it was appropriate to air it. Arguably it’s a waste of time anyway and it’ll probably only serve to make the little nerd a martyr in his own head but all the usual ****s are out defending him so there’s likely something in it.

    It’s nothing on Priti Patel inciting violence towards lawyers for doing their jobs, which is really grim and dangerous.
     
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