I don't know if you are being silly ( I have not seen news) however I had some info passed onto me today regarding the shutting of pubs.
He is making a statement on Monday. If it’s important then maybe he should spare us ten minutes this evening rather than this constant drip-feeding of info through the media to see what the reaction is before deciding anything.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-life-went-on-as-normal-during-the-killer-pandemic-of-1969 Interesting comparison above taken from the New York Times. 33,000 people died in the UK and 60,000 in Germany at a time which many of us lived through but have mostly forgotten - we don't need to go back to 1919 for this type of example. But society responded in a different way, and the media were not recording all the figures as they do now.
Sorry to say this, and I can’t find a gentle way to say it, but if you don’t understand the whole concept how can you champion it? As I said, it’s a very attractive concept, but I cannot find a single example of it working without a vaccine to assist it. But we will have a vaccine for Covid, sooner or later, then it becomes like flu, as you say with us forever, worse some years than others, but factored in to the way we live. The current version of ‘herd immunity’ that is being peddled by a vanishingly small number of genuine scientists and a lot of libertarians, is ‘let the virus run free in the general population and lock up the vulnerable’. There is no evidence (historical, scientific or other) that I can find to show that this will protect the vulnerable and it adds up to a form of apartheid. Of course, it’s still an option, if taken openly and honestly. What we are doing at the moment certainly doesn’t seem to be working, though limiting the spread of the virus until a vaccine is available for the most vulnerable and the rest of us pretty rapidly after, makes a bit of sense to me, though I don’t know how to factor in the economic and other health costs. What does the ‘herd immunity’ approach do to the health service? What about long Covid - so far there have been 575,000 people confirmed with COVID, and 60,000 estimated with long COVID, which is quite a high percentage and many of these only had mild symptoms first time round and were not classified as ‘vulnerable’. If there are good answers to these and other questions, yay, let’s do it. Back in February/March I was all in favour of letting the thing run through the population, but it seems to be a lot more dangerous to some people than I thought then and the ****ing NHS certainly can’t cope with the number of people requiring its services. It’s a bummer. Vaccine please.
Sorry what I meant was I don’t understand the complexities of it......I leave that to the elite like you to educate us proles.
Yesterday my oldest daughter and I went shopping...pre-lockdown little bit of Christmas shopping and to get milk. We were together all the time. She has got a "you've been close to someone who has tested positive"....that is all. Are they still sending out this message...or has she...I really have no idea
No we are getting seriously weird. Second daughter, the one on the vaccine trial, has now had the same message ...with no other information. She is more concerned as she is in London. Incidentally she has had both viral and antibody test. She has entered the results on Kings app... But cannot enter them on the NHS app as they are not valid. I am really not sure I have heard anything as ridiculous as this in a long long time
The app seems to be designed to cause the user stress and anxiety. Though if daughter 2 has had the vaccine (or placebo I suppose.....) surely we want her to be exposed to the virus, and not get it? Also saw on the news a group of positively tested students who are self isolating, who get called several times a day by test and trace operatives telling them to self isolate. It seems there is no linking up or record of calls and the response to the calls. But of course every call is good for the metrics. This whole thing is becoming like a business school case study in ‘where did they go wrong’? I will not be downloading the app.
One week on from the outbreak at work, at least 20 confirmed cases. Some who tested positive were then offered the private healthcare test, which then came back negative. However, when contacted by track and trace were then told that these private tests are not applicable and they still have to self-isolate. Some bizarre things from our outbreak that I've noticed....most people travelling in vehicles together have been tested positive, but a small number have tested negative, including myself. I share digs with two other guys, and one of them has tested positive whilst two of us have come back clear in two tests. I'm not surprised, as I'm 99.9% sure I had the virus back in April (was never tested, but had all the symptoms), but my other colleague doesn't think he or his family have had it. The guy who is positive has absolutely no symptoms....but some of the other guys have been pretty badly affected. Middlesborough, in the midst of a local lockdown, seems to be carrying on business as usual! Just a few more punters wearing masks about. Got back home last night to find out that the pub/restaurant where my son works has closed for two weeks - but they are doing deliveries, including alcohol!! At least he'll be kept busy of an evening...
@Stroller - you may not want to read this! Covid: 'Cheaper to shut restaurant than stay open' Some bars and restaurants in Inverness are to close temporarily during 16 days of new restrictions. Indoor venues in the area can stay open, but owners said limits to serving non-alcoholic drinks only and closing at 18:00 BST would adversely affect business. Several premises plan to shut while the restrictions are in place. Restaurant owner Mark Wilson said: "It is not about making money any more, but about losing the least money you can." His bar and restaurant, Number 27, is among premises in Inverness to post messages to customers to say they are closing temporarily. Others include Encore and live entertainment venue The Botanic House. Another bar, Rose Street Foundry, has closed for the remainder of the year with a plan to reopen next spring. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-54464620
Thanks for the depressing update. I think we've got restaurants booked for each day. Has Sturgeon been asked to provide any evidence for how refusing people a bottle of wine with a meal is going stop the virus?
