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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. 2020VisionofLeeds

    2020VisionofLeeds Well-Known Member

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    This thread shows you the disservice done to a legitimate cause when it gets taken over. No discussion about the original concept behind BLM, all about the criminality.

    not a criticism of those posting, an observation.
     
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  2. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    Clearly the protests are organised, the criminal acts that use the protests as cover I don't think are organised.

    Right wings militants in your opinion are unorganised and have no groups that influence their behaviour but criminals who burn down a building that helps not one jot the cause that is being protested are somehow organised by the same people who organise the protests even though these criminal acts cause a disservice to the purpose of the protests. It makes no sense
     
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  3. milkyboy

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    You can be patriotic about your country without being xenophobic, so I consider myself patriotic

    I believe all lives matter

    I don’t agree with ‘antifa‘ - (excepting their Dislike for alt-right groups) but certainly not their anti capitalism. I accept their right to protest - but not to cause damage/loot or violence.

    yet you Think I’m a lefty snowflake <laugh>
     
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  4. blonogasoven

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    I agree. I have said that the looting was linked to BLM protests. Anarchist activists hijack such a gathering and escalate it.
     
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  5. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely right but as soon as a post about the rights or wrongs of BLM are posted it immediately is countered by the criminal activities etc. It would be great to talk about why people feel that they still have a need to protest for equality, equal treatment and equal opportunities after all these years.
     
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  6. blonogasoven

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    In the same way that crazy mass murderers are linked to the right, there are some crazies on the left too
    "We don’t know if Connor Betts, the 24-year-old Ohio man who killed nine people (including his own sister) and wounded 27 more when he opened fire on a crowded street in Dayton on Sunday, had any involvement with Antifa. But Betts’s Twitter trail makes it clear that he was a hardcore leftist who embraced some fairly extreme ideas—and, in some cases, advocated violence toward political enemies in Antifa-style language."
    And there is Michael Reinoehl

    There are madmen all around and my fear is that this extremism is nurturing more.
     
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  7. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    Blono embrace the middle ground there is more that people have in common than that which separates them.
     
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  8. blonogasoven

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    The majority of those protesting are virtue signalling privileged white people.
    In this country there has been racism against many groups, including the Black community, but not only. The Irish, for example suffered terrible racism up to the 1960s at least. There is no institutional racism in this country now. There is individual and personal discrimination, even within the Police force, but it is not endemic.

    This month is Black History Month. There is no Asian, Hispanic, European or white history month so we're on the right road.

    I have asked this before. If you think there is systemic racism call it out and everyone will support you because it's wrong.
     
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  9. blonogasoven

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    My argument is against anarchy. If some people don't respect the law where are we?
     
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  10. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    Anarchy can be beneficial and protests are not unlawful
     
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  11. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    I'm not in favour of positive discrimination. It just avoids the issues. I worked in SA for a while and it was compulsory to have African Directors, but they were completely ceremonial and disregarded, which sort of defeated the point of having them.
     
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  12. blonogasoven

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    That's where we're at now. People are being appointed because they tick a box rather than being the best candidate.
    For example Talk Sport have revamped their lineup to be more diverse. I don't care what gender or race a presenter is as long as they are good at it. Darren Bent is charismatic, even though he interviewed Bamford about his boots, but Andy Cole has the personality of a railway sleeper. He's terrible so why is he on air?
    Another example, while I was working I listened to part of the West Ham game. The two commentators were women. I don't have a problem with that, I disliked Georgie Bingham but she was a good presenter as are Natalie Sawyer and Laura Woods. My question is were they selected because they were the best two candidates to present that game or because they were women?
    It harks back to watching BBC Breakfast building up to an England v All Blacks game. They live fed to an ex England women's team member and asked her what it was like facing the Haka...





    There is no comparison.
     
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    You're link shows the years when things weren't as bad, and don't show this year of Left wing looney attacks and looting etc, unless you really believe the zero on your chart, was it ANTIFA who made the chart ?
     
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  14. OLOF

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    Who are you to say if someone is patriotic they are xenophobic?
    If you believe all lives matter you are racist according to most blm leaders
     
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    The quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.
    I'm sick of immigrants coming here and slagging the place off
    If its so bad **** off to whichever ****hole you came from

    I Iove my adopted country England, ..... although its being severely tested

    I love the country of my birth Ireland

    if that makes me a scoundrel, i don't give a ****,
    go **** yourself
     
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  16. lifecheshirewhite

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    If you're not proud of who you are,then you're a muppet.
     
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  17. OLOF

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    20/20 & Brissy = Waldorf & Stadtler:emoticon-0116-evilg
     
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    It's not culturally appropriate for Women to do the Haka, it's an insult, and yet to please snowflakes they do it.
     
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    <laugh>
     
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  20. gombawn

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    I'm me and proud to be me. I am not a nationality formed by arbitrary borders. If I was born 100 years earlier I would be british. Now I am irish.
    You can only be proud of yourself and your own achievements, not somebody else's because they are from same general region as you.
    Patriotism invented by rich men so poor men could go to fight and die for them to protect their intetests.
    And if I could **** myself I would.
     
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