Off Topic OLOF's political thread

I've said this before but here are "The Five" on Fox News.
Fox News is unapologetically pro Trump but the big difference between them and CNN is that they have a strong dissenting view on screen.
It's one against 4 and they argue the hell out of him but he gets his time.

Find me this on CNN. It doesn't happen.
Lemon will have a love in with Cuomo about how terrible the Republicans are.
Fox isn't balanced but CNN has one message, just one.

 

You didn't read my link then? The FBI think that Antifa is "a real thing"

 

But not a group or an organisation so what do you mean by real?

 

No-one on here has defended the violence, or any looting, desecration, no-one on here has denied left wing extremists have had involvement in the violence. It's the extent of the involvement that those who have an open mind are interested in.

The article you couldn't read from the Washington toilet paper includes a number or sources (all biased/made up obviously) that highlight that the vast majority of it is common criminals 'joining in' as it gives them the opportunity. You are labelling the 5% of trouble makers as extremists. Some of them will be, many of them are just low life's with no affiliation to anything and just seizing the opportunity.

Some of it is also alt right groups stirring the pot. Hard left groups gate crash alt right gigs and vice versa - it's what they all do to stir up sh*t and get attention. I have no time for extremists on either end of the spectrum.

It's easier for people to link to a youtube video for anecodatal evidence that supports preconceived beliefs than it is to wade through the trough of bullshit to find the truth

 

When

I was in the UK I used to read that left wing rag the Telegraph as well.

 

yep, read them all and discredit or ignore the ones that don't agree with set-in-stone pre-held beliefs

 

Not everyone reads them all but those who do will do exactly that, no matter what side you're on.
I think we can agree that those who regularly comment on this thread have quite distinct positions and none have changed

 

That was a quote from the FBI director:

Antifa is a real thing. It’s not a group or an organization, it’s a movement or an ideology, maybe one way of thinking of it, and we have quite a number and I’ve said this consistently since my first time appearing before this committee, we have any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists. Some of those individuals self-identify with Antifa.

…we have seen individuals, I think I’ve mentioned this in response to one of the earlier questions, identified with the Antifa movement, coalescing regionally into what you might describe as small groups, or nodes. And we are actively investigating the potential violence from those regional nodes, if you will.

 

So on their way to becoming something like the Proud Boys in a few years time?

 

Established in the midst of the 2016 presidential election by VICE Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, the Proud Boys are self-described “western chauvinists” who adamantly deny any connection to the racist “alt-right,” insisting they are simply a fraternal group spreading an “anti-political correctness” and “anti-white guilt” agenda.

I hadn't even heard of them until very recently.
I don't see a problem with being anti political correctness and white guilt.
Let's look at this logically without mentioning any names:

Do you think the protests have been organised?
Do you think the looting, burning, virtue signalling would have happened without the umbrella of the protests?
Do you think the White Supremacists were the cause?

It has been called Antifa but you can call it what you like. There is definitely a group behind it.

 

Didn't you have similar problems a couple of years ago when people from all over the country rioted, looted and caused mayhem? I don't think that there was, or needed to be, any organisation behind them, they simple did it 'cause they could.

 

Are you talking about 2011 when they rioted after the police shot Mark Duggan? A convicted criminal who had a gun
Or 2017 when Edwin Da Costa died after filling his mouth with bags of drugs?
If a good, honest black man, woman or child dies they don't give a fk but if a nasty piece of **** criminal dies the country explodes. It's disgusting.
If you have a gun in this country you've crossed a line and if you deal drugs you don't deserve sympathy.
Should they have died, possibly not but if you live by the sword...
These weren't white supremacists rioting btw

 

No

 

You can read

 

Antifa are another Kymer Rouge, nutters and a danger to the world, might as well put Wolfie in charge, power to the people.

 

The proud boys or whatever they call themselves have a diverse array of members, , Black, white, Ispanic
Havent heard anything about them killing people , rioting, looting, shooting, or burning towns and cities down.
Just saying.

 

Amen Brother.

 

Googazon Twitterberg1 day ago
Sneaky how Wallace tried to combine "white supremacists" and "proud boys". NOT THE SAME. The leader of the proud boys isnt even white. Trash fake media.

 

The Don asked Wallace to name the White supremacist organisation that are running riot, looting, killing people he wanted him to condemn, the bias twat couldnt answer him.
He never asked the kid sniffer to condemn Terror organisations BLM and Antifa

 

I've only got up to short words right now but the pictures definitely help my comprehension.