Off Topic "The Great Reset" hence the delusion of the masses

This is not silly at all and has got nothing to do with politness - not for them. This is a conditioning as they can see who is obeying and who is not. The ordanary mask (apart from a FFP3 mask) will only harm yourself as you cannot breathe normaly, it picks up a lot of bacteria in case you re-use it and the mask allows any virus to pass through (if isn´t an FFP3 one). I have already written to DaveRangers about my thoughts.

Apart from that, the mask is very harmful to children, unhealthy people and of course the elderly. My mother (80) will never wear a mask voluntarly, she knows the score. Did you know that 2 girls aged 13 died in September (Germany) because of wearing those masks ? You wouldn´t find that on the frontpage of mainstream media but if you looked closely you may find it on page 10.

 

Still sounds silly to me mate. But you is what you is

 

In order to set the balance straight - masks are not compulsory in German schools - the most common measures used are a) staggered class times b) optional masks and c) self administered testing. The wearing of masks has only ever been recommended for children over a certain age limit - this applies also on public transport. The wearing of masks is not primarily for your own protection but to protect others. It is true that If I am the only person wearing one then it will not protect me however if all people are wearing them then they do provide an aggregate protection. The previous post indicates that 2 children died as a result of wearing masks - but declines to provide evidence of this in the form of a link (the authenticity of which could then be tested).

 

But what about the control ‘they’ now have over you

 

Only half true since all schools do ignore that masks are not mandatory (they are mandatory in Bavaria though) and children are wearing masks. Headmasters are illegally imposing pressure on children and Health authorities are enforcing something by threatening to take the children away - those are the facts.

 

Thanks for the response...regarding your points...

1) Again I refer back to my first post, and allowing fear to govern how we live and how we interpret world events. If over-population, which I agree is a risk to our planet, has become an imminent risk to the survival of our planet, why would the first response be to murder millions/billions of people, before investing in other options, living on the moon being just one option. As crazy as that may sound, is it really anymore crazy that assuming the powers that be are murdering people to keep the population down.

As an aside, and to ensure we keep things light...not sure if you are familiar with the reference, but you've quoted a guy called 'Ted' a number of times in your response...that did make me chuckle. Is he, by chance, a QPR fan?

2) I'd say my mind is pretty open. I have been open to moving away from my home country, open to embracing a new language, culture and way of life, open to change my mind on issues as I have got older and (hopefully) wiser. There is though, for me, a limit. When I read something that seems completely implausible and far-fetched, my mind is open enough to take in what I am reading, place it in the context of the world and the big picture, and see that it just doesn't fit.

3) We can agree to disagree about the masks...I don't wear one for myself, I wear one in case I have a virus and cough on a 80 year old when shopping, and that 80 year old can't shrug off a virus in the same way I can. As for football restarting and people going back to work, I think Governments realised that after a number of months in lockdown people need to start returning to some sort of normality, albeit cautiously. If Governments declared that all was ok and people should go back to normal then yes, I'd agree the Governments are putting people in danger...but they aren't. I think they are trying to walk the line between allowing people to do things because we are social beings, and need to interact with other people, and also still being cautious in the way that we interact and engage with others. I'd agree that sometimes this line has seemed blurred, and they haven't got the balance right...but does that really mean we can accuse them of being malicious in their decision making?

4) Only time will tell on this one...but I am going to carry on wearing my mask (at least it means I don't need to shave as often!) and hope that we aren't still having this discussion in fifteen years, as by then the world will not have ended, and instead we'll be focusing on how Mark Warburton turned QPR into THE dominant force in European club football. See, told you I have an open mind when it comes to the implausible.

 

Once again you are only criticizing and not offering any alternatives. Schools are, indeed, making their own rules on this - but we are talking here about class sizes of 30+ where social distancing simply isn't possible, often in Corona hotspots. So where is your alternative - are you seriously asking teachers to expose themselves to this type of high risk situation ? You know as well as I do that the German teaching hour is only 45 minutes and any child over a certain age (ie. at secondary stage of education) is capable of wearing a mask for this length of time. Schools are making their own rules on this dependent on which area of Germany they are in - the object is to allow the schoolday to pass in a hygienic and safe manner - the only other alternative is to close schools. How would parents react if there were no safety regulations whatsoever and their child came home bringing an infection into the family ? Schools would either be closed in this case, or could open themselves to legal action.

 

It's not just shaving - bad breath is no longer a problem, and I can eat as much garlic as I want !

 

Hello,

As for football restarting and people going back to work, I think Governments realised that after a number of months in lockdown people need to start returning to some sort of normality, albeit cautiously. If Governments declared that all was ok and people should go back to normal then yes, I'd agree the Governments are putting people in danger...but they aren't. I think they are trying to walk the line between allowing people to do things because we are social beings, and need to interact with other people, and also still being cautious in the way that we interact and engage with others. I'd agree that sometimes this line has seemed blurred, and they haven't got the balance right...but does that really mean we can accuse them of being malicious in their decision making ?

I do not want to change an open mind so it is of course completey up to you what you make out of it. I have only picked that bit of your comment since that is something everyone can follow easily himself.

My message here is, that Governments have to walk the line indeed. But not for the reason that their doing is in the best interest of the people (which it isn´t) but that they (the people) do not realise the road we are going. They will take the measures till the end of 2022 by sometimes loosening the firm grip only to make it firmer the next time. By the end of 2022 most of the middle class will be down on their knees. Right now many people have spend their holiday money on refurbishing their houses rather then going abroad and many craftsmen profited from that. That is only a one-off occurence and after the mass unemployments we will see at the end of the year people will hold their money together. The death cycle of the Economy.

 

That is not true, I do see little children everywhere on the streets (not only in their classrooms) wearing masks. Children are not prone to this virus and what schools (and others) are doing is just child abuse.

 

Would it be child abuse to send them home without schooling ? Because that is the alternative. There are absolutely no rules about wearing masks outside on the streets in Germany (other than for large public gatherings such as demos) so if you have come across small children wearing masks on the streets then it is either because they have a) just got off the bus and not bothered removing them or b) they have found a mask which they like wearing for stylistic reasons. I agree that children do not appear to be badly affected by this virus but it is not known whether they unknowingly function as carriers of it. It is known that schools are breeding grounds for other similar diseases so it is sensible to be cautious on this. Of course we have the state telling us what to wear - but this is exactly the same with seat belts and motorcycle helmets both of which are commonly accepted now as being common sense - or are they symbols of slavery ? Apart from drinking a beer, oral sex and singing nearly all other activities are possible with a mask - without them the restrictions would have to be far more stringent.

 

There is no need for children to wear masks to start with, they are neither prone to the virus.

There are no rules wearing masks on the streets yet but strangely enough many people still do wear them without any people around them. This applies also to chidren and just the prof that they have been conditioned by teachers and others that it is safest to wear them everywhere. They are not just hopping on or off the bus when wearing masks, they do wear them constantly (especially the pretty young ones 8 - 13). Only this week I saw 2 teachers and around 15 - 20 children approximately at the age of 8 - 10 walking down the street all wearing masks. I stopped my car next to the group and confronted the teachers who blatantly told me that they were just following instructions !

Read the book "The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind" by Gustav le Bon which says it all. That is how the people are manipulated, framed and nudged into the right corner where BigFinance wants to have them.

https://archive.org/stream/crowdastudypopu00bongoog

 

If there are no rules about wearing masks on the streets then how were the teachers 'following instructions' ? As regards the use of masks on the streets - yes many people are wearing them because if I go into several shops, buses etc. I am not going to bother with taking it off in between. It appears that governments throughout the west are confronted with a problem - namely populations which have been accustomed to do what they want, and have no idea left of 'community' and of taking responsibility for each other - the result of 50 years, or so, of neo liberal free market conditioning. Imagine if Winston Churchill, when ordering the blackout in the early 1940s, had had to contend with conspiracy theorists ringing the 'human rights' bell ! There are times of crisis when people need to pull together and reinvent community, where everyone is responsible for everyone else - because without society you are nothing.

 

Mandatory Vaccination ahead:

I really have a problem with them implanting a chip into me for this COVID-19 BS when it is nothing worse than the flu. It just seems that this is way over-the-top to scare everyone into some crazy new world where we are chipped, our DNA changed, and then what? The people behind this move, Gates and Klaus Schwab, are so concerned about overpopulation that I cannot accept that any of this is to protect us to so the population increases even more.

Even in Britain, the English Bill of Rights has been shredded. They are prompting Immunity passports claiming they can speed up the return to work after COVID-19. Meanwhile, the vaccine producers want immunity in Europe as they already have in the United States. Politicians who grant such immunity do NOT represent the people. Any other industry is libel for their mistakes. With immunity, they do not need to make sure their vaccines do no harm. Who cares? They have absolute immunity! That is NOT a position that I would have any trust in whatsoever. The EU granted immunity to AstraZeneca for their vaccine. Even asking for immunity confirms there are problems for a sizable portion of the population.

In Germany, the data on the health situation and mortality revealed that there has apparently NEVER BEEN an epidemiological emergency. This coronavirus appears to be just a seasonal wave comparable to normal flu. There is clearly far too much evidence that shows this coronavirus is by no means serious, yet governments are using this to shut down gatherings and the shut down international travel.

They have damaged the economy by an endless stream of corrupt acts. It was the Clinton Administration that repealed Glass Steagall, which allowed the 2007-2009 Financial Crisis, and then they also handed the bankers students by removing their right to declare bankruptcy on student loans for degrees that have proved worthless. This is preventing people from affording rent on apartments or from participating in buying homes. A record number of young adults over 30 are now living at home with their parents.

One to remember - The EU roadmap for vaccination starting 2018 end date 2022. That was planned before Covid-19 - what a coincidence. I guess there is something similar for the UK as well.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf

 

There is no evidence anywhere here that compulsory vaccination is planned by anyone - the only conclusion there is that there could be a common vaccination card in operation by 2022 for EU citizens. This would show up all vaccinations, including things like tetanus and could be of great help in treating people across international borders. Any British person would have vaccinations recorded on their NHS card and this is no different except that it is international.

 

You do not die from wearing a mask Butthuber. If you did all surgeons, welders, science technicians, those nail technicians you see in high street shops would all be dead meat.

The masks do not stop the virus, we all agree to that.... but they do decrease aerosol transmission if you cough, sneeze, breathe, or spit when you talk. They cut down the load and decrease the velocity...so they help, they do not prevent.

Next point ..."There is no need for children to wear masks to start with, they are neither prone to the virus."....yes they are but not many of them develope symptoms....but they can pass it on to a vunerable adult perhaps their much loved granny or grandpa

There will never be manadatory vaccinnations, because they will not work. We cannot get people to do the MMR, tetanus, polio ones now, so what chance has Covid got (thanks to all the people who are scaremongering...don't make me tell the story of my scholol friends who died of polio again please)
....and anyway if you want to chip people why didn't Bill Gates put his wonderful tracking chip in that vaccinnation...no-one would have ever expected that

 

You do not seem to be bothered asking yourself why the EU had a roadmap ready in 2019 for a vaccination card before Corona came into our lifes. The vaccination card will become the entry card whatever you are going to do in future, vaccination may not be mandatory but still necessary since you may not visit a football game, enter a plane, go abroad, go shopping ... without the card. I already to have a vaccination pass (not digital) but that is not needed anywhere right now. This will change and lead into vaccination for everybody.

 

https://www.hygienes.net/commission...-commission-calls-for-stronger-eu-cooperation against-preventabldiseases/
This just about answers your question. Dated from 28th July 2018 and concerned about the ''Unprecedented outbreaks of measles and a resurgence of other vaccine-preventable diseases due to insufficient vaccination coverage''.

 

You are wrong Beth, the mask makes you sick and in Germany the 3rd teenager died from wearing a mask.

At least you aknowledge that the mask does not stop the virus ! The cough, sneeze, breath or spit has accompanied mankind forever so what has changed ? Even if they help you have to weigh up the negative effects such as bacteria that are happy companions (did you see the pictures of that ?) and most problematic is the lack of CO2 emission. You breathe in oxygen and breathe out CO2 which is intoxicating under the mask.

Vaccinations can become mandatory (at least in Germany) - that has recently been changed in the Infection Protection Law. As explained to Colognehornet, the vaccination card will be ready end of 2022 in the EU and they will restrict your movements without it. It´s like with the masks, they are do not protect but mostly you cannot get into a shop, garage, bank etc. without it. In Germany it is not a law to wear a mask but still everybody requires them or you don´t get in.

 

And what are you trying to tell me ?