Her's another article suggesting that the Swedish approach has paid off..... https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...qoHfYTOoePPiZBoaehMqedBpg9t2mjKxd9WLe3-C5knOY
It's a worryingly interesting virus. We cant argue that it has killed people, we can look into how many of those were nearly on deaths door anyway, had underlying health conditions or as we get older the immune response weakens. There are examples (like Steels Mrs) of people suffering post disease symptoms, which is one of the most disturbing consequences, considering their previous good health. Infection seems to be on the rise again (face masks may not be all that) yet the death rate is not comparable to the peak of the virus. Testing has literally gone to ****, despite what Hancock bullshit says! I have no answers apart from respecting othe peoples wishes. Even if you think it's a load of old tosh or over reacted, at least consider those around you that are genuinely fearful, we never know a strangers situation. I swing between both camps of having a wife with underlying health issues yet working full time with people or in houses where it's not taken seriously or seriously enough. Let's just air on the edge of caution just incase the fatalities start happening again.
Absolutely mate. I put on a mask out of respect for others but doesn’t necessarily mean I think it’s the right thing to do.
One of the all time greats of reggae music, and a gent in every way, died on the 11th of September at the University Hospital of the West Indies in Mona, Jamaica. RIP Toots Hibbert, driving force of Toots and the Maytals for 50 years who died of complications following Covid 19
We've lost a few shining lights through this pandemic. We've got an RIP thread here pal, where Toots and many others have been remembered.
Frome I’m definitely not an expert and don’t say I am one. However the report mentions a lot of ‘may’ and ‘could’....I’m not down playing what they are saying but it all seems to be speculation right now.
100%. That’s a very irresponsible article. There is no evidence to say ‘tens of thousands’ of people will need dialysis or transplants as a direct result of Covid-19. Sadly kidney damage is a frequent result of the very aggressive treatment you get in intensive care, regardless of what put you in there, and I can imagine that the rate of damage has gone up with the vast expansion of ICU beds staffed by tired and sometimes inexperienced professionals a few months ago. But that is very different to asserting the virus destroys kidneys. It might do, but no evidence in that story at least.
Hearing it from someone like you G makes me think maybe I have got my opinions correct. I’m in no way saying this virus is ‘nothing’ or ‘just like flu’ etc etc.....but what I am pointing out is that articles like this (if which there are many) all say about what ‘might’ or ‘could’ or ‘may’ happen..with very little study or firm evidence to point at such. It’s just scare mongering, and if I’m honest, has partly contributed to people’s deaths by refusal to go to hospital just in case they caught COVID.
The government has apparently come up with a solution to the testing fiasco. People who can't get tests are to be allowed to use their predicted results.
The surge in Covid cases is not as it seems Hospitalisations and deaths have been falling since April. But lockdown is still taking its toll. Simon Marcus 15th September 2020 please log in to view this image Share Topics Politics Science & Tech UK At the start of the pandemic, most of us accepted the rationale for lockdown – even though we knew it would cause huge economic, social and personal destruction. Given the projections at the time, the alternative looked far worse. Lockdown seemed like the right thing to do. Then things began to change. Sweden’s more liberal approach showed that Covid-19 could be controlled at a fraction of the cost. The death rate per 100,000 people in Sweden is now lower than in Spain and Italy, which introduced far more draconian measures. And Norway’s health chief, where full lockdown was imposed, has since said it should have followed Sweden’s lead. Proponents of lockdown largely ignore the costs it has imposed on society. Instead, they fixate on the daily numbers of Covid cases. This is despite the fact that testing is unreliable and many more people are now being tested than at the height of the pandemic, leading to serious distortions in the data. Back in June, while Sweden was falsely accused of having a ‘resurgence’ of Covid, Anders Tegnell, in charge of the Swedish policy, warned that the data was being ‘totally misinterpreted.’ Now there are similar fears over rising cases in the UK. But looking at the most important statistics – hospitalisations and deaths – we see a very different story. The number of daily ‘cases’ has risen steeply from around 1,000 per day at the start of August to nearly 4,000 per day now. But, as incredible as it sounds, hospital admissions have fallen almost every week since April. They are still low, despite the government saying we are on the verge of a ‘second wave’. Thankfully, the number of those dying from Covid has also fallen significantly. For the week ending 13 September, the average number of daily Covid deaths was just 11. What this shows is that there is a massive divergence between Covid cases and deaths. In April when the UK was officially counting 4,000 cases per day – roughly the same as now – over 900 people per day were dying of Covid. please log in to view this image Recommended Identity politics is turning violent Frank Furedi Similar divergences between cases and deaths are also clear in Belgium, Italy and Spain. Most extraordinary is France, where new daily cases of Covid are now 10,000 per day. This is more than double the average of new daily cases in April when the death toll peaked at 1,438. Yet as of 13 September, the seven-day rolling average for deaths is 31 per day. Even if Covid deaths are no longer cause for alarm, there is another death toll which is affecting people of all ages and may be with us for a long time to come. Back in April, the UK’s Department of Health and Office of National Statistics (ONS) produced a report that estimated the costs of the lockdown. It forecast that between 12,000 and 25,000 people could die from delays to treatment caused by the mothballing of the NHS in the first six months alone. This includes cancer patients, for example, who had treatment postponed, or those who avoided A&E for fear of overburdening the NHS. The report forecast a further 185,000 deaths in the medium to long term. This includes a projected 500 extra suicides and between 600 and 12,000 more deaths per year due to the lockdown-induced recession. The full lockdown began to ease in July, but much of its social and economic impact has yet to play out. Indeed, many towns and cities have been placed under local lockdown measures, while the government has even considered introducing a curfew. Furthermore, the NHS backlog – a significant cause of lockdown ill-health – is nowhere near close to being resolved. The DoH and ONS paper only looks at mortality and health. It cannot assess the other, still life-changing consequences caused by a devastating recession, in terms of unemployment and bankrupt businesses. Nor does it include vast national debt that will have to be paid off. Or the social divisions and rising inequality which lockdown has fuelled. Or the mistrust and fear which are bred in a society where the authorities encourage neighbours to spy on each other and where children are told by ministers to be afraid of hugging grandma. please log in to view this image Podcast Is Britain now a rogue state? spiked Perhaps the government could have saved more lives at the start of the pandemic with a quicker response. But now it is compounding its incompetence with a flawed and irrational reading of the Covid data. The historic and irreparable damage to our society, our economy and our democracy is getting worse by the day. It is the lose-lose deal of the millennium. Anders Tegnell could not have put it better when he said ‘the world went mad’ with Covid. Simon Marcus is a writer, political consultant and former government adviser.
Unless I’m missing something this says ‘cases’ are rising. And as was pointed out by Dr Kendrick in the blog I put up, someone who is asymptotic but is found to be COVID positive is counted as a ‘case’. Forgive me if I’ve misconstrued Adding to this, he talks of a ‘second wave’ coming in East London.....to me anyway, and if he is correct that cases are rising, would that be a ‘localised spike’ ? (as I suggested might occur). Only words and phrases but I feel important non the less. I do wonder why we are getting spikes in certain areas.....and purely as a logical explanation and under no circumstances trying to ‘blame’ anyone, I wonder if this is due to most, but not all, having a large Asian/Muslim population who tend to congregate in large family groups and attend mass Friday prayers. I think it might be too much of a coincidence to rule it out.
Australians must know the truth - this virus is not a pandemic': Alan Jones The greatest hoax in history ... and that was just start of much more to come.
The somewhat ironic element of his tweets is that Dr Pearse says that very often the mainstream media doesn't explain the situation well but then he goes on to fail to do so himself What is patently clear is that no one knows whether the rise in cases is actually the critical issue that is being assumed or whether those being infected now are at far less risk of serious health impacts than those who caught the virus earlier in the year As ever even the supposed experts don't all agree
