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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Everton

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Sep 11, 2020.

  1. The Changing Man

    The Changing Man Well-Known Member

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    Some may say that appear to be some knee-jerk reactions to a first day defeat - But thats not how I see it this performance today is symptomatic of a club that has not planned well for several seasons.

    We have not played consistently well for 18 months now that's a season and a half and there too many players who have been identified elsewhere that are not good enough for a team that wants to be competitive at the highest levels - I personally have defended some of them in the past, but no more, the team needs major surgery and unfortunately a global pandemic has meant that there has been no gap between seasons and we are struggling to make all the changes required.

    I want my team to win, entertaining football is a bonus, but if I am honest I am just as pissed off if we lose 4-3 and play entertaining football as I am today, I am not righting off the season after 1 match that would be ridiculous, but changes are needed and Jose and his players will all need to step it up several levels if this is not going to be another very disappointing campaign.

    COYS
     
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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Don't, just don't. 2 years later I'm still gutted we ****ed that deal up :(
     
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  3. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    So people genuinely thought this current Spurs team could make top4 or even top6?

    It’s been dross for nearly 2 years now, it’s not going to magically become good again and the powers that be don’t seem to be able to fix it
     
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  4. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    The new stadium ****ed up on it's prices. Many have been priced out making way for tourists.
    The first few weeks it was open you saw it's potential edpecial in the CL but last season I had to tell my daughters that we couldnt afford to go that often as the costs were simply too high.

    Villa and Newcastle cost me £100 each for me and my then 16 yr old and Palace cost me £134 for the 3 of us. It was a similar thing with the Watford and Sheffield United games.

    Those prices and **** football is a recipe for disaster.
     
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  5. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    We haven't finished outside of the top 6 for 11 years, so why wouldn't people think we can get it again?

    We all know there's major surgery needed but there should still be enough quality, coupled with more additions, to finish top 6 again albeit there's a crucial couple of weeks ahead that may or may not solve some of our problems.
     
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  6. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yeah it's ridiculous, said time and time again that any significant increase on my ST and it's bye-bye from me. I can afford to pay it but it's more about principles.
     
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  7. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Gotta try and find some humour after games like that <laugh>

     
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  8. PowerSpurs

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    Were we not in the top three for the games after the restart last season? I was certainly hoping for an improvement but I don't understand Jose's transfer strategy at all. So far we have signed Bergwijn, Gedson, Doherty, Hobjberg and Hart. The first two rarely start and the last three seem more like squad players. Surely we should be using our transfer budget to sign one or two players who will make a difference rather than incremental improvement.
    The only ray of light today was that Ndombele was trying to be creative when he came on. If he can be the player we thought we had bought and can play with Lo Celso and Winks or Hobjberg behind Kane, Son and Bergwijn or Dele, then we should get back to creating some goals.
     
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  9. humanbeingincroydon

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    We were dross two years ago yet Poch had us finishing top four and into the CL final

    What was aggravating today is that we were getting some good results towards the end of last season (which was, what, three weeks ago?) so the expectation was that we'd have some form of continuity, but instead today's performance was like the ****e we were serving up pre-lockdown

    While today could be said to be a wash due to various outside factors (Lo Celso being out, our pre-season doing more to build fitness for our U23s/U18s than the first team as they were all on holiday and/or self-isolating) there were some failings which fell directly onto the ubermensch, the most obvious one being Sissoko coming on at half time which saw our shape fall to pieces in the second half when there were more logical options in Bergwijn, Lamela or Ndombele

    Also, what really has to be asked, is what happened to our usual tactics? Post-restart and in pre-season our tactics were simple, with pressing high on the flanks to push opponents into the central low block to trigger a counter - but today we really weren't pressing on the flanks at all, which is particularly poor as Everton have deployed attacking fullbacks since the Moyes era so it's not like we should have been surprised by Coleman and Digne coming forward from deep yet we weren't getting in their faces at all
     
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  10. remembercolinlee

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    No idea what others thought mate.
    I expect a coherent team plan, competitiveness and effort as a bare minimum and am at a loss why any of those involved today thought that performance was acceptable.
    The squad are capable of fighting for top six but not if they continue with today's dross
     
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  11. BajanSpur

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    Today the substitutes bench had a more creative looking midfield then those that started the game.
     
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  12. The Huddlefro

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    I hope Jose gives them both barrels and then some. By all accounts he raged after the dire Sheffield United game and we were unbeaten afterwards. I hope he goes off on them after today, especially the second half.

    I can accept that some players have missed some of preseason and we’re missing GLC who is a key player, but it still was nowhere near good enough.
     
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  13. BajanSpur

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    One major concern is that, Mourinho can't see past the likes of Davis, Deir and Winks.
    The penny might drop one day, but by then, we could be trying to plot a path out of the Championship division.
     
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  14. humanbeingincroydon

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    The problem is so much of the second half can be placed on the baffling decision to bring on Sissoko for Alli - which was his choice

    While there are drawbacks of playing Lamela or Bergwijn as a number 10 instead of their natural wide positions, while Ndombele hasn't played in that role for us (although he did on occasion for Lyon) there's also potential advantages for doing so - but Sissoko? No, he should only play there to hem in an opponents when we're clinging onto a narrow lead, not when we're trying to break a team down
     
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    He’s saying all the right things here and though he mentions the free kick situation which might sound like a classic Jose moan, by the letter of the law he’s right.

    I’m fine with Davies but Dier, who looked solid post-restart at CB before his suspension, looked WAY off the level required today. Winks also showed all of his bad sides.

    I don’t think Sissoko should have replaced Dele but regardless he didn’t play 10 at all, he started wide right then played CM then RB. Easy to say when I’m not managing the team but I’d have preferred to have seen Bergwijn for Lucas and Lamela for Dele. I think Mourinho initially wanted Sissoko to protect the right side a bit as Doherty was pushing up but it didn’t seem to make much of a difference.
     
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  17. PowerSpurs

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    We paid big money for all six outfield players on the bench. Nearly twice as much as for the ten outfield starters!
     
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  18. Spurlock

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    No way should their player be getting between Toby and Dier to win that header

    You can coach that every day but if the players aren’t switched on during the game and in the moment, then it’s on them...on a dead ball aswell so it’s not as though their starting positions were not right
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    The issue is that's the one thing above all else you'd expect to have been drilled into them

    Again, I'm inclined to make today a wash due to a chunk of today's starting xi not even playing in preseason, but if we're making similar complaints this time next month it's clear there's obvious issues
     
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  20. Spurlock

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    it probably is drilled into them but how much drilling can one man do?

    That’s 2 top coaches they have worked under and they still make basic errors.

    We are unbelievably **** at dead ball scenarios.
     
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