What outrage over a man murdered for holding a right wing political opinion in a left wing City? Balance that with what has occurred since July and think about is the murder connected and a further escalation.
tut tut .. it is not tons [ hundreds ] … THERE IS A FEW and there is also few non black people who have been shot by non white officers!
Context. It is the most weaponised Western society.This society as a whole experiences high levels of gun related crime. Correlations and critical thinking.To add balance you have to apply detail. You did not answer the earlier question. What outrage over a man murdered for holding a right wing political opinion in a left wing City? If you care to google BLM and Antifa celebrate death you will see links to videos and articles. The death of a political opponent is being ignored in many left liberal circles, but being celebrated and condoned by groups on the militant left. It is a evolving picture which has been seen before over history. A example of horseshoe theory where elements of the left behave like and worse than the fascists they claim to oppose. It is also a predictable picture. This is how the dark elements of identity politics work. Dehumanise those you do not agree with. Bully, cancel, degrade,malign, assault, murder .. BLM in the UK are on the same path.
Why do I need to answer it? What kind of equivalency is there between a single (1) person being killed versus 200+ per year (on average)? One is obviously too many, but why do you feel the need for equivalent outrage between the two? As I said before, that arguably in itself is racism in a nutshell. I've also said before, I won't be posting supporting BLM actions in the US until I've read more anyway. Violent protests are never okay. But I absolutely support their reasoning - the state murdering any civilians unless absolutely necessary is despicable, and the fact that they murder black people at a rate 2.5x higher than white people (per capita) is even more so.
From what I've heard on the news, this latest black guy that was shot and possibly paralysed by Police had been told to stop moving on several occasions. He didn't listen. He was warned one final time not to approach his vehicle. He ignored that warning too, opened the door and reached into the car. For what ? A Gun ? a knife ? I get a little frustrated with the people who are calling the Police out, but what if he had a gun and the cop had been shot and killed ? At what point were the Police just supposed to stop and wait and see what would happen ? From what I know the first guy and this latest one were both known criminals and presumably had Police records already. The first one had a very violent past. I'm not condoning Police actions at all, but they also have familys that they want to return to at the end of their shifts
No I really do get that. If those are the events (and I honestly have no idea), it's arguably justifiable. As an absolute last resort to avoid your own life being taken. But that doesn't justify kneeling on someone's throat for 10 minutes while they die. It doesn't justify 790 black people being killed in less than 4 years. And it doesn't justify black people being 2.5x more likely than white people to be killed by the police.
I quite agree and have said that all the way through, but I also think the ratio of blacks v whites who are criminals also bears looking at in certain areas. And yes there are also social and economic factors to be considered too.
Which is a fair point but did they really need to shoot him 7 times in the back? Couldn't one in the leg incapacitated him?
It really does annoy me when people who have never been in that situation, and are never likely to be anywhere near that sort of situation, say "couldn't you just wing him"!! In hindsight 7 shots does seem over the top to say the least, but hindsight allows us all to be experts, particularly in subjects we have f*%k all knowledge about!!! I think that is the result of the social media life we now live in. No, I have not been in that situation, but I do know a number of those who have, indeed two who have been shot. This isn't gaming, this is real life, and if someone isn't going to stop when told to do so, and you suspect he may be going for a weapon, they get taken down.
Get what you are saying about winging him but it's 7 shots in the back we are talking about. That's excessive in any language
OK ASSUMING FIGURES go to end of 2019 that's 1 every fortnight … so why have we heard of only 2 in the past 3 months? and likely only half a dozen in the past 3 years! ? … is one to assume that more than 750 were justifiable? tut tut ……. 8 mins 46 seconds [+/- ] someone can pick up on your 10 mins and it becomes .. more than 10 mins then 10 mins an x secs … etc etc … accuracy is a benefit! there are figures for this ...seen some published for USA and UK and when a per capita % is added it is frightening …. should you watch the video it is a very fast chain of events and not that plain " to have the advantage of slow replay or indeed any speed replay" it was an hectic 2 -3 secs … in a melee a finger on the trigger may have been an awkward moment to have involuntarily got off more then 1 or 2 rounds …..
The state (the US) are not murdering civilians. You made the point about equivalence. I asked you about where the rage was? It has been celebrated and condoned as just. Took out the trash was a description used by BLM supporters. Compare this to the murder of George Floyd. It is blatantly obvious a differing moral plane is being applied to the murder of a Trump supporter. A white mans death has been clearly assigned less worth than a black mans. That is racism?
You just tried claiming the 790 black people shot by the police was just 'a few', so accuracy is probably not your best argument to go with mate. And I'll happily criticise anyone celebrating that death. I really don't need to repeat what I've already said, it's not okay. But if you're going to claim that a white mans death has been assigned less worth than a black mans, then where is your conviction going the other way? Black men being killed at a rate 2.5x that of white men... I mean what else could you possibly do to give black men even less worth than a white man? You obviously have a point about different moral standards being applied by BLM in this case, and I won't support BLM's actions now, but there's absolutely no denying that you're doing the very same thing. You're calling out one white murder and I'm yet to see you come even close to doing the same for the hundreds of black men that get killed every year, and even worse, by the state. Your (and others) failure to do is inexplicable. Perhaps people don't actually believe they need it. Perhaps BLM's actions cloud their judgement. I don't know, there's always a good argument on both sides. But in my mind it's irrefutable. And the lack of comment shows a deeply ingrained refusal to want to support them. Finally, a lot of this could helped if policing in America wasn't so p*ss poor. Shoot on sight mentality and a complete lack of regard for mental health. Constantly wanting to chuck people in prison and no welfare support whatsoever. This is what defund the police should really be about. Not defunding the police themselves, but piling money into crime prevention. Even something as simple as a Louis Theroux documentary can highlight the flaws for everyone to see.
So what is excessive? Is it two? Three, four? You tell me when you're in that situation!! Oh, you never will be, so you will never know! Yet again, someone happy to criticize from a position of safety and having little knowledge of the overall situation. Despite the video footage, you weren't there as I wasn't. We do not know any other real information about the various risks the guy may have been posing and the reasons why he was going to the car, when, apparently, he was told not to. This is what really pisses me off about the whole present situation, including the death of George Floyd. As it stands, everybody in the world seems to have been judge, jury and hangman (ironic!) as far as the Police Officer is concerned. Again, we have 10 minutes of footage and, as bad as it looks, the wider public have no real knowledge of the circumstances. It has been implied that GF was a career criminal, happy to use excessive force when he needed to and a user of drugs. In the forthcoming trial I would expect the Officer defence team to go through Floyd's past criminal behaviour with a fine toothcombe. For instance, if he feigned injury or illness in the hope that his physical detention would be eased and allow him a chance to escape/assault those trying to detain him. Don't get me wrong, whilst it might seem it, I am not defending the actions of either Officer, but I am happy for the judicial system to follow it's course to it's natural conclusion. If that results in guilty verdicts by the jury in both trials, then so be it. I just wish there were more people out there willing to do the same. Sadly, I fear that in this social media savvy world we now live in that is unlikely to happen.
I told you so why ask the question again?, The bloke was unarmed and walking away and shot seven times in the back that's excessive. He didn't even make it to the car. Funnily enough I agree with you about most of the other stuff and I have sympathy with the George Floyd officer, if you read the brief from his defence team then it would be hard to convict him but I guess that is their job. I'm still not convinced that he didn't just die from a drug overdose though.
So why is it that every other modern country can manage similar crime without peppering the sh*t out of someone but the US can't? I don't think anyone will disagree with you - if you have to do it to save your own life then by all means go ahead and shoot. But they seemingly do it for fun over there.
I don't know Rob, do you? It may be something to do with the gun culture over there, it may be something to do with training of Police over there, it may be something to do with under reporting of similar incidents in other countries, it may be to do with apparent media fascination with white Police shooting blacks in the States. It will be a combination of multiple factors but I have been talking about two specific incidents where the vast majority of people have jumped to conclusions without having a significant proportion of the facts in front of them.
I have used the supposedly racist all lives matter in posts. That is a conviction. Black men being killed at a rate 2.5x that of white men...The figures I have read are higher than that. You are making in your last paragraph points about social inequality not racism. Social disadvantage can be driven by culture not institutional racism - Black people are massively more likely to grow up in one parent families - People living one parent families are far more likely to be involved in crime - There is a social circle of disadvantage. Social disadvantage is nuanced. As an aside BLM want to disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure ... What I have underlined that this murder is a linear progression. A inevitable progression of BLM and Antifa (anarchist & left wing) fascistic red behaviour. This was a inevitable political assassination. The cause? BLM and their ilk. They are dehumanising individuals and destabilizing communities, The results are inevitable. Anybody who does not understand this does not understand the psychology of violence. Want to support them? No I do not. They are extremists with a moral compass that is skewed. Reading BLM's websites, their articles and statements there is no argument. You are with them or you are the enemy, there is that dehumanizing of individuals, there is a rejection of liberal democracy, hatred of free speech .. . Fascists did that ..
