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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by SAFCDRUM, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    haway mate lets drop it, for every one you give me ill give you 2 let's not fall out ower politics ill never change you, or you me, your a good poster i like your posts just ease back with the sniping
     
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  2. rooch 3

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    What about kissing <laugh>
     
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  3. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    there's always option 3, rent to me it will take to 6 years to get rid...............<laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  4. Makemstine Roger

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    but they was porking not shaking
     
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  5. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    Something else I can be put right on by you lads why should you drop behind with your rent if you are furloughed?
     
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  6. Nads

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    There’s actually an option 4. It’s central Quayside and working metres of bars and central station, do there’s the option of Booking.com or Air bnb as short term let.

    As there’s only 28 payments left on it that’s viable, but again be affected by corona and reduced travel.
     
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  7. Nads

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    Not sure what you mean mate?

    In theory if a family had 2 parents furloughed they’d lose 40% of household income though, you’d imagine how it can happen.
     
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  8. rooch 3

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    Air bnb is a winner if you have the time and don’t mind the graft but it’s bloody time consuming.
     
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  9. rooch 3

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    Just shows you how I know nowt I thought your company payed the other 20%?
     
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  10. Nads

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    Aye it’s an option mate. I’ve one pal who’s done very, very well of it. If you can get a contract with a cleaning firm etc, there’s always that.

    There’s always the risk of damage but it’s a new build so nothing would be overly costly as long as deposits were watertight etc.
     
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  11. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    whilst i have deep sympathy for your mate, it was his choice to take on that much debt and live for today instead of going up the housing ladder slowly and within your means, when i left the Army it took me 4 houses and always with a good profit to get close to where i wanted to be, but when i married our lass things skyrocketed for me her dad is a coastal chief in Mombasa with tons of land
     
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  12. Nads

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    That was down to the individual business. It’s changing now I believe so they have to, but that’s gonna drive more job losses as there’s businesses with nothing in the tank.

    It’s a horrific mess with no clean way out for many.
     
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    No reason at all. My mate down South rents a flat out and his tenant was furloughed. She just stopped paying him his rent. Gone on for months now. Nothing he can do. There are always people take advantage of situations.
     
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  14. Nads

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    Na that’s not fair Rog.

    His gaff is well within his means, he’s never had issues, never been stretched. It’s nowt lavish it’s a standard family home in Millfield.

    The lad had a safe job then lost 100% of his income overnight, nine of us can carry that. I’m quite comfortable financially, but if I lost my entire income I’d be struggling 9-12 months down the mine, of course I would.
     
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  15. rooch 3

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    Must admit I believe most of the businesses round here have coughed up the 20% that’s why I couldn’t understand why you should get behind with your rent.
     
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  16. Conspiracy Theorist

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    I honestly thought that a UBI would have a workable and fairer way of keeping people afloat during this crises it would cost less overall to implement than the incredibly convoluted Universal Credit system.

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    This article is part of an FT series on the economic cures for the coronavirus crisis, in which leading commentators and policymakers give their advice on how to alleviate a devastating global slowdown. The writer is a fellow in economics at Balliol College, Oxford university, and the author of ‘A World Without Work’ The coronavirus crisis is a disaster for many workers. In the UK, for instance, we often forget that prosperity does not rest on a handful of well-regarded business titans and big-named companies — many of whom are now visibly lobbying the government for financial support. It also depends on the nearly 5m self-employed workers and 6m small businesses that live a comparably hidden economic life, out of public sight, and with little influence over policy. The pandemic provides a dramatic reminder of their contribution. And it is they who are most threatened today. But our traditional policy instruments cannot reach them. Changes in interest rates do not help self-employed workers who face disappearing incomes and no sick pay. Financial stability packages do not bail out the vast number of restaurants, theatres, cafés, pubs and shops that will continue to see footfall collapse in the days to come. Big infrastructure investments do not support those small businesses — 99 per cent of all companies in the UK — whose pockets are not deep enough to survive the disruption of the coming months. The time has come, then, for something completely different — a Universal Basic Income. A cash payment made to everyone, with no strings attached, can support these people and their families. Providing everyone in the UK with £1,000 per month would give a direct and instantaneous burst of financial relief to the millions who find themselves unable to make basic ends meet. I approach the notion of a UBI from a position of scepticism. In recent years, the popularity of such a scheme has surged. Many have seen it as a necessary response to the threat of automation, a way to support displaced workers who might find themselves without a job, and an income, in the future. But in my own work looking at the impact of technology on the labour market, I have tended to view it as an imperfect response to a challenge that we do not yet face. For now the problem is not a world without enough jobs, but one in which people lack the skills needed for the jobs that have to be done. The arrival of coronavirus has changed my attitude. Robots may not have taken all the jobs just yet, but the pandemic is decimating the demand that those jobs rely upon. Andrew Yang, the Democratic US presidential candidate, who built his campaign upon the promise of a UBI, put it well on Twitter: “I should have been talking about a pandemic instead of automation.” A UBI could be affordable. For instance, handing out £1,000 cash per person per month would cost the government about £66bn a month — a fraction of the nearly £500bn bailout the UK needed to stay afloat during the 2008 financial crisis. It would only be a temporary measure. The government says the UK will see half of all coronavirus cases in a three to four-week period either side of the peak in infections; 95 per cent of cases over a nine to 10-week period. We can still hope this will be a short-term crisis, requiring only temporary, albeit extraordinary, measures. It also would be politically feasible, and not just in the UK. A UBI is emerging as one of those rare policy proposals that makes the political spectrum bend back on itself, with people on opposite ends meeting in violent agreement. Jason Furman, chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under president Barack Obama, noted: “Congress should send you $1,000 — and another $500 for each of your children — as soon as possible”. And Steven Mnuchin, the US Treasury secretary, is now “looking at sending cheques to Americans immediately”. While a UBI like this might sound a little basic, its simplicity is its strength. There is no need for complicated means-testing and monitoring, no requirement for clunky bureaucracy and administration. In Britain, everyone gets £1,000 — as simple as that. As a result, we can do this quickly; if the peak of the crisis is to come in weeks, that is a virtue not to be underestimated. In 1942, amid the devastation of the second world war, William Beveridge published Social Insurance and Allied Service, transforming ordinary peoples’ lives at a time of great crisis by leading to the creation of the National Health Service and the expansion of National Insurance. “A revolutionary moment in the world’s history”, he writes in the opening pages, “is a time for revolutions, not for patching”. Our crisis is different. But like Beveridge, we must respond to it with imagination and open-mindedness. Tinkering and tweaking existing interventions is not enough. We must be far bolder.
     
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  17. Nads

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    I can’t speak for what percentage of businesses have or haven’t mate, it hasn’t affected me personally other than remote working, financially I’m arguably better off as I ain’t travelling as much (not much noticeable).

    A lot of renters are lower income though, that’s why they rent, dropping 20% on a low income is a ****ing hammer blow.
     
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  18. rooch 3

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    That’s one of the problem the government will have how do you sort out who is genuine or not?
     
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  19. Makemstine Roger

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    like i said i feel for him but wonder with a family why he did not insure against unemployment
     
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  20. Nads

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    Even if you do it’s not 100% of income is it? Whichever way it’s cut up nobody knew this was coming.
     
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