sometimes BCFCRob you have a reasonable point of view .. but you nearly always spoil it by trying to over elaborate it and bring in things that over shroud it over by points you have historically been "defeated on" when a point is being lambasted you adopt this tactic as a smoke screen...… ...you ask a question … what is wrong with the idea of defunding the police in America as well please? … well I ask you the same the same question slightly differently … what would be wrong with the idea of defunding the police in America as well please?
BCFC ROB …. Your arguments ar getting weaker and weaker and the straws you are clutching at getting shorter and shorter .. please take a deep breath make a cup of tea sit down and re read all your posts on this thread .. then after thinking them through post something new and non contradictory like hopefully city might finish in top 6
Of course i have been reading the sites on anther thread i was quoting them. you dont seem to understamd what is on these sites? have you been reading them? this is from one Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. Working alongside existing anti-racist organisations to strengthen the wider movement across the UK. Abolition of police???? funny ?? i was on about slavery and black on black murders. it seems to blm these are less important. why are they not important? where are the protests??
That's so warped. You're basically saying what's the point in supporting any charities unless you're going to support them all. Helping some is better than helping none. Chinese Muslims lives also matter. But I don't see you guys fighting the cause either.
Give me a break JGF. Just because the average age here is a fair bit older than me, and therefore has different points of view, doesn't mean I've ever been 'defeated'. I don't consider myself to have ever 'defeated' any of you even when I've actually had people on my side. It's nothing more than a different point of view in my mind and I'd never consider any of these a 'victory'. Victory would be us all getting along with the same viewpoint and having a cider together . Well I asked the question, because @Red Alert's post made me think he doesn't understand what 'defund the police' actually means. I.e. it's not as crazy as simply getting rid of the police, which obviously no one thinks is a good idea. But I'm pretty certain that despite his claims of visiting BLM websites, he doesn't really know what it entails based on his previous posts, so I wanted to check.
BLM are not a charity as far as I'm aware and all they want is to help themselves, they are extreme, they wish to dismantle our democracy, what charities do BLM support? I hate racism and I hate people who think they are holier than thou,I hate bullies who inflict fear and controversy, if they want to change society, tell them to form a political party, put forward their ideas and put them to the vote in an election, the majority will decide, Corbyn did and got his answer. Or is that form of democracy warped?
You got destroyed on the police free zone. You more or less said the poster made it up. defund means alternatives and in BLMs case that can mean getting rid of the police because they use the word abolition. Alternatives are also armed militias that is also on their sites. Your posts make me you think you have not read their websites.
'Destroyed' . Tragic. By that logic the absolute lot of you have been 'destroyed' on Brexit and the Tories (as of course I knew you would) but there you go. Well as far as I can tell, the vast majority of BLM protests here have not been extreme in the slightest. I can't condone any of the more extreme stuff going on in the States at all (which is anything BUT far-left despite what some on here might want to convince themselves of), but maybe it's worse than I'd realised. Your statement is perfect but clearly it hasn't worked all that well has it? Because black people are still being shot in the States, Muslims are still oppressed here and kids keep dying in dhingies in the Channel. So peaceful protests are the only other answer. What else can there be? What else can they do? What I may need to brush up on is how much violent protest there has been, which I accept and will do. Though I'm yet to be convinced that over here it's anything more than what happens relatively frequently on the far-right.
Black Lives Matter 13 Guiding Principles 1. Restorative Justice We are committed to collectively, lovingly and courageously working vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension all people. As we forge our path, we intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting. 2. Empathy We are committed to practicing empathy; we engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts. 3. Loving Engagement We are committed to embodying and practicing justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another. 4. Diversity We are committed to acknowledging, respecting and celebrating difference(s) and commonalities. 5. Globalism We see ourselves as part of the global Black family and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black folk who exist in different parts of the world. 6. Queer Affirming We are committed to fostering a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking or, rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual unless s/he or they disclose otherwise. 7. Trans Affirming We are committed to embracing and making space for trans brothers and sisters to participate and lead. We are committed to being self-reflexive and doing the work required to dismantle cis-gender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence. 8. Collective Value We are guided by the fact all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status or location. 9. Intergenerational We are committed to fostering an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with capacity to lead and learn. 10. Black Families We are committed to making our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We are committed to dismantling the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” that require them to mother in private even as they participate in justice work. 11. Black Villages We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable. 12. Unapologetically Black We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a necessary prerequisite for wanting the same for others. 13. Black Women We are committed to building a Black women affirming space free from sexism, misogyny, and male‐centeredness. This could be part of the BLM manifesto, I wonder if this would get any MP's elected, it's a starting point.
* Reparations through racial socialism * Replacing education with agitprop and welfare services * Defunding the police and ending prisons. * Dismantling the family. * Start a “global liberation movement” to overthrow capitalism * Higher taxes, with a specifically racial focus * Reparations for drug dealers * Reparations for foreign nations and terrorist states * Let incarcerated prisoners, illegal immigrants, and felons vote https://www.acton.org/publications/...xplainer-what-does-black-lives-matter-believe These are just bullet points, the the full copy is in the link, just more information to be added to the manifesto.
You in another post cast aspersions over a point about BLM and autonomous ( police free) zones. People are being murdered in the USA due to the actions of BLM. You ignored the link. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53491223 That death happened in area that BLM helped to create and support. That is part of BLM's defunding of the police. An lawless environment. What else can there be? What else can they do? Look within. The selective outrage sows more hate in the UK a Country that is not the USA. The Bristol protest was extreme and arrogant. The UK wide protest likewise. Lockdown did not apply to them.
1) I didn't ignore the link. I quite clearly accepted in my last post that I need to do more reading on that and I will. Not that anyone else here would have the humility to do the same of course. 2) Bristol protest extreme? Please. We know who the real snowflakes are don't we
You went on to say 'as I knew you would'. How have leavers been destroyed ? Or have I misquoted you, apologies if I have.
People clearly have the humilIty to look into BLM and its principles. Breaking the lockdown and a obvious criminal act were extreme. The organisers? Their politics are extreme. It is an extremist organisation with multiple aims that are anything but moderate.
S so what would replace the police? they wouldn't work for nothing? and also what would replace them as investigators of burglary/robbery/rape/murder/ child molesting/ modern day slavery / traffic accidents- control / etc... ok on your age gap comment … the older you get the wiser you get, have decades of "seeing it all before" and it is not a win or lose battle of you v "us" thing … difficult to put into words but …. a bit like say uuuuummm you have a container of toxic chemical and need to get rid of … you say i will pour it in the local pond … someone says it will kill all the fish … you believe it will not so still going to pour into pond after say 10 people have said it will kill the insects the plant life and the pond life you still believe it will not! …. bit extreme as a example but hey ho ….
