Off Topic The Politics Thread

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But isn’t it a fact that there is a clear link between young black males and youth gang violence....especially in London ?

In short, yes, but the important thing to then do is ask 'why' and tackle the root cause of the problem, not just assume it's inherent in that culture. By refering to it as a 'black' problem one makes assumptions about the root cause of that problem instead of thinking about it as a class issue, for example, hence the Glasgow parallel.
 
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I support QPR, but I'm damned if I'd be too happy to see Luke Amos in a hooped shirt again.

With regards to the VRUs in Glasgow, and the surrounding areas. I moved up here just over 20 years ago and there were stabbings every week, and plenty of murders every year. The figures have dropped, although locally we still have one of the highest murder rates per head of population...

https://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk...inverclyde-has-highest-murder-rate-in-the-uk/

The approach that the VRUs conduct in Glasgow is definately an approach that should be considered, not just in London but nationwide as it's had a dramatic effect in the reduction of offences.

This is an excellent article that I've posted before about the VRU

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-45572691

Very interesting article

I guess the two key questions are:

- does this type of approach have a permanent impact on lowering (knife) crime
- if tried with success in one geographic area, why has it not been used more widely

We undoubtedly need to be flexible in the approaches adopted to tackle crime. The cost to society is horrendous both in human and economic terms

Does anyone know the history of the zero tolerance approach adopted some years ago in NYC?
 
What about if I throw in Paul Hart as manager? The VRU stuff is really interesting, and is precisely the sort of investment that's needed to make any real difference, reconsigning the 'upstream' challenges that need to be fixed rather than just throwing money at the police hoping that will fix anything.

Can you throw that **** off the nearest high rise please? Add Boswanker into the mix and I'll owe you a pint.

The biggest change that the VRU bought in was reclassifying knife-crime as a public health issue as well as a policing issue, and enrolling the help of the Scottish NHS, the education system and the social care system. This means they can attack the core issues at source, give the (mainly) young men a sense of worth and community, and helping to break down the boundaries of where each gang operated - you could get stabbed for being one street away from your own turf.
 
Odd how keen you are to avoid answering my very simple question. Almost like by answering you would be undermining your whole position. Do you or do you not support every view of every organisation you support?

Of course not, but you made that point immediately after denying that defunding the police was a BLM policy. You were hedging, in case you were wrong. And as it turned out, you were wrong and the policy was not something I fabricated. I can't see why you just can't come out and admit it. Pride, may be
 
In short, yes, but the important thing to then do is ask 'why' and tackle the root cause of the problem, not just assume it's inherent in that culture. By refering to it as a 'black' problem one makes assumptions about the root cause of that problem instead of thinking about it as a class issue, for example, hence the Glasgow parallel.

Totally agree, it could also be looked at as a class issue....however the fact cannot be ignored that it is fundamentally an issue within the black community, specifically the young black male community, that gang culture is a massive problem....and the main danger to young black males today (as quoted by Trevor Philips). To ignore the fact is, in my opinion, making the situation worse.
 
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Does anyone know the history of the zero tolerance approach adopted some years ago in NYC?[/QUOTE]

From my memory 8 think it was very successful