Coronavirus

Obsession with facts

I have already stated, very clearly, that the Government have behaved in s contradictory manner so have no idea how you come to that conclusion.

I have a lot of disagreements with the Government's performance and policies regarding Covid. If you paid attention to this fact, along with many others, you would have avoided making the facile comment about me believing what they "spoon feed" me.

Like the vast majority of people, I tend to believe facts are important when evaluating what is happening in the world around me. I use them to form my opinions and make my decisions. That you find facts an inconvenience speaks volumes about your cognitive process.

 

The stupid **** doesn’t understand the difference between a demonstrable fact and a Govt statement.

Actual facts are like Kryptonite to ‘truthers’

 

Ouch

 

RCL has been deeply skeptical of the governent narrative since the pandemic started as we all have, so don't embarrass yourself further

 

Facts are often overrated. They imply a connection with universal truths, but usually are nothing more than a consensus among a group of people committed to beliefs that the “facts” support.

It used to be believed that the Earth was flat, and was at the centre of the Universe, and that stars are windows into heaven, etc.

Plato, known as the father of philosophy, spends a great deal of his time examining the nature of “knowledge” and “truth” and demonstrates how “facts” are not necessarily to be believed. Firsthand experience is generally considered more reliable, for instance, but then it comes down to whom you believe when you hear two different accounts of the same alleged event.

Facts can be manipulated and distorted, see.

I strongly urge you to read “Propaganda” by Jacques Ellul. He writes out of the great French tradition, which has strong roots in Logic, itself founded on Plato.

You can insult my intelligence all you like, but in doing so, I would suggest that it speaks volumes about you.

 

Here’s you actually explaining how you don’t understand the difference between an actual demonstrable fact and accepted theory.

Wow.

 

Go and read Plato , you gibbering idiot.

I refuse to discuss the nature of knowledge and truth with an imbecile.

 

You mean the same Plato who can be demonstrably shown to have got virtually everything wrong? Him?

You want to get into discussing his work? go on then

 

Think we should get Plato on to explain himself ... the ****.

 

As usual...absolutely nothing, vacuous, empty, completely devoid of substance, nada, nowt, zilch, **** all.

Just some pretentious gobshite lobbing in Plato and expecting that nobody would have the vaguest clue, so wouldn’t dare even comment.

But though.

 

You are clueless.

I have made my predictions, and I shall now withdraw from this discussion, as it has barely risen above the level of insult, and there is nothing further that I want to say, other than that I hope I am wrong.

 

Ooooh bold and italic....serious. You still can’t understand the difference between a definitive fact and misguided baseless opinion I see.

Oh and you’ve run away from another offer of a discussion, which merely makes my last post bang on the ****ing money.

You absolutely pointless cock end.

 

Disappointed. Was looking forward to looking in on the debate about Plato

 

It is you that insults my intelligence by refering to me as "a sheep"and claiming I "believe everything I am spoon fed" so stop acting the the victim.

As for the earth being flat and the stars being windows into the heavens, these ideas were based on a mixture of mysticism and religion. That was not based on fact, it was most likely based on the "personal experience" of watching the stars, sun and moon "move around our planet" and of people not moving across large oceans etc so these "personal experiences made sense.

It was the invention of telescopes and the development of maths that laid the foundation for ancient scholars to discover planets and working out that the earth was not the centre of the universe.

The "personal experience" ideas were constantly challenged as science developed during the Greek and Roman empire times.

By the middle ages the true was known due to scientific break throughs but the church lied to keep people in their place. People using science to understand and explain the world or to improve medicine for example were executed for witch craft.

To suggest that "personal experience" is a more reliable form than fact is simply a ticket down the rabbit hole.

"Personal experience" is what allows the likes of Trump to ignore scientific advice and make dangerous, factually incorrect statements which then get treated as being as valid as a scientic fact.

I ain't getting into a pissing contest about who has read what but I would suggest that their is a very big difference in reading something and understanding it.

You present your beliefs as facts, you dismiss anything that contradicts your beliefs as people been "sheep" or "spoon fed", you then complain of others "insulting you" and fail to provide any tangible facts or evidence to back up anything you say.

That is not philosophical, it is lazy.

 

3 posts later...

 

Nailed it.

 

The Earth being flat wasn't ever a fact. Doesn't matter if it's a consensus held among a group of people, that's simply an opinion.

It turned out that the Earth wasn't flat because people provided actual facts that it wasn't.

See how this works ?

 

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