Off Topic OLOF's political thread

Well you're either in on the money making scam, robbing poor blacks, or your one of the stupid, giving to the rich marxists, you tell us, which are you ?
Have you ever handed out blm give us some money leaflets, to scam the poor.

 

Here you go. https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

 

Only a) or b)?

No c), d) or e)?

Come to the US we will teach you how to set a multiple choice quiz!

 

Note your stats only shows total deaths, not unjustified deaths.

Nevertheless, so for the most recent complete year of 2019:

Group...Deaths #......% ....Population %* (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045219)
White..........370...........37 ........76
Black ..........235...........23.........13
Other..........197...........20.........11
Unknown... 202..........20............-
Total ........1,004........100.......100

So, white deaths are approximately 50% of their population percentage and black deaths are almost 200% of their population percentage.

In other words a black person is 400% more likely to get shot than a black person in the USA.

Think on that before you answer please.

 

Not being seriously picky, Jonny, but what does this mean?

 

I take it you mean than a white person but the percentage of black people pro rota committing a crime is probably 400% more than a white person.
I am sure you will agree the majority of white people in the USA live in rural areas with low crime rates so your figures (excuses) are not accurate.

 

Now you are guessing.

Provide real stats if you want a real conversation.

The reality is it is rare to hear of a white person killed by police with allegations of murder. I can recall one over the years here. Likely there are more I just cannot recall any.

 

Just an unfortunate typo. The takeaway is that Blacks are 4 x more likely to get shot than whites once you take into account the proportion of the population.

What the headline figure doesn’t account for, is how likely the different segments are to be involved in crime which brings them into contact with the police.

In the US I think the figure is 2.6 x more likely. But break that down into
Murder or drugs offences and the figure is much higher, meaning you could argue they are less likely to get shot than whites

But if course that isn’t perfect as there is plenty of evidence that they are more likely to be investigated/arrested/harassed in the first place than a white person of a similar background behaving similarly. This, when combined with wealth/opportunity, living circumstances is probably the key point. As much of this is economically/demographic/geographic based as it is skin colour. Much, but certainly not all... as shown by stats on stop and search

So you always need to look behind the headlines. For those with an interest, the drivers behind the figures are discussed in more detail here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

 

This really is quite a depressing conversation. Surely the point is no person should anticipate being killed by a public official charged with their protection. I know it is topical to compare the likelihood of being killed based on appearance but I would hope we could get past the stereotyping of people based on skin colour or what they are wearing and consider the basic issue here that American police kill a lot of Americans. I don't live in America, I have but not now and I know for a fact that a lot of people have a lot of guns and so I expect this causes some understandable concerns when the police are arresting somebody. So perhaps it would be better to start to address the ownership of guns and de-escalate the lethalness of the interactions between police and citizens.

 

The US can't teach the world anything @fookedupcountry

 

touchy subject in cowboy country.

seriously though, it’s fking ridiculous in a first world country in the 21st century

 

I hear what you're saying, Eric, & I used to agree wholeheartedly about the gun culture. Until I heard that Canadians had more guns & a lot less trouble/deaths.

I've fallen out with a pal from Chicago about gun culture. He's obsessed with the right to own a gun. He's also a happy-clappy born again Christian. And black. Such is his conviction about carrying a gun, that I'm convinced he'd buy one illegally if they were banned. This is a guy that wouldn't say boo to a goose, yet he's obsessed with his 2nd amendment right to own that gun. What I'm trying to say is that the banning of guns would have very little impact on the headlines we're discussing here. Guns can be 'gotten', to use the vernacular. I fail to see a decrease in this scenario, & possibly an increase. Imagine you have an illegal gun that will get you, say, 10 years in the jug. The police stop your car (which seems to happen very frequently, I'm led to believe). Do you offer up your gun & go to prison, or do you try to escape, no matter the consequences? Yes, you know it will end badly, but what could be worse than 10 years of buggery & torture?

Yup, for me, there is a distinct possibility that the death toll could rise if guns were banned.

 

There's a few on here would love 10 yrs of that.....

 

Go on - name names!

You know what they're like on here - failure to name names will mean everyone will assume it's just you!

 

I knew you'd say that, my lips are sealed just like my arsehole...........although without meaning to stir it up again, two words, TRANNY GATE

 

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In denial then. Time will tell Jonny but don’t feel too cheated and betrayed when the BLM fad comes to a end.

 

It has to some extent worked here. 35 people killed at Port Arthur 1996 and then gun owning laws changed - now reduced deaths. ok not zero but better.



Where did you get that Canada had more guns

 

LL will be proud of you Eric...

 

You are confusing at times Shaks