Coronavirus

Its hardly surprising that this government would bullshit about masks not working well when they were struggling to get them to front line employees. They work.

 

Yeah, not sure that cartoon is wholly conclusive tbh.

it says in the side of my box of masks, “protect against particulates and bacteria”. Nothing about viruses.


Don’t get me wrong, I’ll wear one as it’s no great hardship. But I’m not convinced it’s not bollocks.

 

I don't think it's as high an impact as that if I'm honest. As I said last night I do think there's some truth in the argument that people will be less careful with masks on and many don't know how to use them correctly.

I still think there's a small positive impact overall.

 

Fairly sure we’ll see if they work when wearing them becomes compulsory.

 

anything that possibly reduces the risk of transmission has to be considered, and that’s why I have worn a mask and gloves and used sanitizer since the outbreak.

People that refuse to wear masks because they think it affects their liberty, as they should be able to refuse, they just don’t get the rationale behind face covering - you could be a carrier unwittingly transmitting the virus, so wear a face cover to protect others and yourself.

or in Hiag’s case refuse to wear a mask and be a selfish ****.

 

I wonder if we can pinpoint when YouTube began to supersede actual research and development.

 

Making them compulsory won’t prove anything, as no one will be enforcing it.

 

Oh sorry, didn’t realise you controlled the world. My bad.

 

But this is mainly spread through airborne bodily fluids like when sneezing or coughing

 

Thought you’d have cottoned on by now. Bit slow on the uptake aren’t you?

 

What, exactly, am I wrong about, and link me to conclusive proof that I am wrong about it.

 

You’re wrong about Jose being good for Spurs. He’s going to set you back years mate.

 

Okay, on that one, I'm going to reserve judgement.

 

Perhaps. But the WHO is still saying that social distancing and frequent hand washing is the most effective way to prevent the virus spreading.

It’s not just governments who spent weeks telling us that masks weren’t much of a solution. Most sources seemed to share that consensus. Maybe new evidence has led to new conclusions, but in fact the WHO advice on masks still seems a bit lukewarm.

One other thing; we’re going to be picking these things out of rivers and oceans for years to come. This time next year we’ll all be watching David Attenborough untying a turtle from a giant ball of disposable masks.

 

Always happy to oblige you on these challenges HIAG

You said that you had "clear evidence that wearing masks does more harm than good"

Prof Amy Price PHD and Prof Larry Chu PHD from Standford University disagree with you.

1. How do cloth face coverings prevent the spread of COVID-19?

Chu: In order to answer this, it’s first important to understand the concept of source control. We’ve learned that as many as 40% of people infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 may have no symptoms. But when they talk, cough or sneeze, they can still spread the virus to others in the form of respiratory droplets expelled into the air. Those droplets evaporate into fine particles that may linger. The mask traps these larger droplets before they can evaporate. So, wearing a mask regularly can prevent spreading at the source even when we don’t know we are sick. But masks are just one important way to prevent this disease from spreading. Washing your hands regularly and thoroughly and keeping at least 6 feet apart from one another are still vitally important.

Price: Many people argue that cloth masks can’t be effective because they can’t filter out viral particles, which are extremely tiny. But, as Larry explained, most of these particles leave the mouth and nose in much larger droplets that become smaller through evaporation as they move away from the body. Trapping droplets with the mask means not nearly as many viral particles escape. So, when all parties in a gathering are wearing well-constructed, well-fitting masks, it provides an extra layer of safety for everyone. If two people are wearing masks, the viral particles can travel about 5 feet away from each individual. When an infected person is not wearing a mask, those particles can floatthrough the air 30 feet or more and stay alive for up to 30 hours.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-n...ntists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html

You're welcome

 

yeah i noticed that but thought we might as well deal with the little things before we got round to the ****ing huge elephant in the room.

 

That study is bollocks, and you know it.

 

Amy Price, PhD, a senior research scientist at Stanford’s Anesthesia Informatics and Media Laboratory, and Larry Chu, MD, a professor of anesthesia and director of the AIM Laboratory V HIAG

Anybody want to have a punt at who's right here

 

Welcome aboard, mate.

You’re going to find that this a rough ride, because we are sailing against the tide on a sea composed mainly of turbulent froth.

But hold on tight and weather the storm, because land will soon be seen, and the good ship “HMS Verity” will dock safely.