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Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Albert's Chip Shop, Jul 8, 2020.

  1. Rum & Black for 2

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    I’m a Pisces.
     
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  2. Warmir Pouchov

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    I'd imagine people will be delighted having predicted certain relegation <ok>
     
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    "Steve Bruce has the worst goal difference (-128) of any manager in Premier League history"

    That's our boy. In his defence, he's not exactly had the opportunity to manage the top tier teams.
     
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    The Bruce rimmers on tv will be keeping their mouths shut today.
     
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    Lots of tongues NOT in Brucies fat hairy hoop tonight like... the silence from the crayon wielding media is deafening..
     
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    Once Matty leaves nobody will want the clown here
     
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  7. Warmir Pouchov

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    Fans and media are a bit of a joke wit this subject. We lurch from he's the devil reincarnated, to he's the second coming, from he's done a **** job and he's a terrible manager, to done an unbelievable job in tricky circumstances. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. He's another manager to come in and do a good solid job.

    The media and those in the football fraternity are just looking after their own, someone has played along with the media over the years, and been popular with fellow pros. So he gets a free pass.

    The NUFC fans have a habit of getting carried away about individuals and not being objective. So because Rafa was wrongly afforded hero status, for some Bruce can never be accepted, even after proving himself every bit as capable as Rafa. Then there is the other end of the scale with fans, who have also started hero worship with Bruce. There ain't many but again its madness.

    We've had a few now so you'd think we'd have worked it out. Pardew, Rafa, Bruce, Hughton all steady eddies. I suppose the overriding issue of Ashley doesn't help fans be able to be objective. You're never really working from a level playing field under him so fans find it tricky to assess bosses.
     
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    I haven't lurched. He's a ****. Win or lose.
     
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    why is Bruce so keen on rose


    HES ****
     
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    Bruce is ****
     
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    he's so far up roses arse... he's done nothing... get a young hungry lb and Willems.... he's clueless if he cannot see rose is crap he's done nothing. he's thick as ****. you get nowhere taking cast offs on their way out ...
     
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    No generalisations there then.

    :)
     
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    Can't see any no <ok>
     
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  14. Roland Deschain

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    Personally I think you're missing the mark - probably on purpose. Benitez wasn't lauded for the football. He was seen to some as a symbol of hope, that had been missing the previous ten years. He also spoke against the owner, rather than towing the line. Politics, game-playing, whatever it was, plodding along as another steady eddie as you rightly put it wasn't what Rafa wanted, isn't what the fans wanted, so that's why he's elevated above every other manager, especially the current incumbent.

    Bruce is something worse. He's Pardew with a Geordie accent, now saying the club haven't stagnated under Ashley and we've come a long way....since being relegated. There's a hilarious irony about both Bruce and the media's attitude towards him. That he should never have gotten a PL job is seemingly irrelevant - and according now to Dion Dublin he's the man to take us back to the CL, which to me is an astonishingly pointless and daft thing to suggest. He's managed, pretty poorly, 600-odd games yet the media aren't clamouring for a lower league manager such as Karl Robinson to be given a well-earned shot at the big time. Pochettino, as one example, has taken Spurs to the CL Final - well, if Saudi money arrives, how has he NOT earned his chance to try again? How is Bruce somehow more deserving of that opportunity? Because he's a nice bloke?

    The key problem behind most of it is the media. Opinions that don't need to be shared by people who don't have either the insight nor intelligence to express them properly.

    In terms of performance and results, it's all pretty irrelevant. Bruce has over-achieved because most expected relegation. Benitez said we'd be relegated then took the team to mid-table. Both have played some absolutely dreadful stuff, sometimes - though rarely - interrupted by a decent display. But finishing 9th doesn't matter, when 17th is the aim under Ashley. There's no such thing as success at Newcastle United right now, so it frankly doesn't matter who's in charge, no point comparing Bruce to Rafa. All Ashley wants/needs and will ever have is a steady eddie trying to grab 17th. We're all just ****ing sick to death of supporting a club that does this.
     
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    We will have to agree to disagree. Why would I miss the mark on purpose?

    I do think the fans were duped by Rafa. He plays the fans like a trumpet to be honest, done it at every single club. The fans of those clubs usually tire of him eventually. He loves to be at loggerheads with owners. Its largely about putting pressure on owners, but obviously I think he misread the situation here - he seemed to be under the illusion that Mike gave a **** what the fans think.

    In terms of comparisons, I'd say its bit silly to think you can't compare managers. They are working for the same club, under the same constraints. The owner will prevent anything more being achieved, but I'd say comparing Bruce's first season with Rafa's last is as accurate a comparison you will get in football terms. In actual fact the owners constraints mean you actually get a comparison of managers abilities rather than how good they are at spending money.

    The Bruce being worse stuff just sounds a bit daft. He just approaches the manager/owner relationship different is all in my eyes. Same as Pardew did. They think its better to just play the game rather than getting into confrontation. Rafa gained absolutely zero from his agitating so maybe they are right? Again this is an emotional thing with fans. "Standing up to the owner" etc.

    Its a good example of what i'm on about. Certain sections of our fans just struggle with objectivity. All said and done, its the results you produce. There are other factors like professionalism (where Pardew fell down). Quite simply Rafa was loved because he 'stood' up to the owner, and because of his standing in the game. Bruce has a much lower standing in the game and has chosen a different approach with the owner. So fans see that as him being disloyal and another patsy, his standing as typical of cost cutting Mike. So then Rafa's gets cut slack, but Bruce gets zero. Its just daft.

    I must admit I care little what Dion Dublin etc say. I'm hoping we can consign the likes of Bruce, Rafa, Pardew etc to the past by being taken over. We should be looking for more modern and progressive managers even without a takeover! Pardew/Rafa/Bruce - Ashley is still living in the early 2000's!
     
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    I haven’t been able <laugh><laugh> to read the rest <laugh><laugh> as I can’t <laugh><laugh> stop laughing <laugh><laugh> over this sentence.

    <laugh> <laugh> <laugh>
     
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    I put this down to being senile <ok>

    Care in the community has clearly gone to ratshit during this pandemic.
     
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    You've got to love Twitter (unless you have just tried to get Barack Obama to double your money)
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    My god the seed of Bruce has finally shown through the foundations...
     
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