As most intelligent people would realise I was obviously being facetious regarding blind people. However it does prove the old adage ... ... 'there's none so blind as he who will not see'. I keep hearing about these 'barriers' in place to prevent black people becoming managers which makes me wonder how Ince, Campbell, Moore, etc managed it.
Don’t worry Kittens will be on to tell you how they became managers with the whole world of football against them but don’t get bored reading 600 pages you asked.
I keep hearing vague shyte about racist chairmen, barriers in place and systemic prejudice, etc. That's as annoying as when your lass has a twisty face on and says 'I'm fine'. Haway, we're all adults ... ... if its that bad, get a grip and spell it out.
If I knew I wouldn't be making the point. There's no reason why black ex-players, leaving the game for good, can't speak out. Sterling has just been saying that there should be more black managers, but I don't think, for a second, that he'll ever try. It's easy to talk about barriers, but much harder to explain what they are. He wouldn't be sacked for speaking the truth if he actually knew what it was.
I'm sure if a black ex-player said something like that people would listen and definitely not look for reasons to ignore them. They definitely wouldn't attack them as individuals and it definitely wouldn't hurt their career prospects.
All much of a muchness tbh. I'll answer just one, I'm sure you see them all as equally valid. ""I feel black managers get judged the moment they get through the door. Some white managers will keep getting job, after job, after job, said Ince. "Think about the career I had as a player. I had to go to the lowest club in League Two to get a chance." Every manager is judged from the way they hold the scarf in the appointment photo to their first press conference, every one ... ... Parkinson was judged as shyte before he even arrived. And he had to start at the bottom and work his way up as a new manager, so what ... ... Brian Clough had to start at Hartlepool, Ferguson at East Stirling and Shankly had to work his way through Carlisle, Grimsby and Workington. Loads of ex-England players have had to start at the bottom, some progress and some don't. And there are dozens of white managers who are sacked and never employed again for every Allardyce and Warnock who are always in demand. Whatever the case Ince proves my point that these 'barriers' aren't insurmountable ... ... Ince was given the managers job in the top division in England, just wasn't good enough.
Thankfully this thread is fading away as is the hysteria about Floyd and BLM. I just checked the RTG thread and that's fizzled out as well. I think that people are beginning to see things more realistically and calmly. The UK is a pretty decent country on the whole, hence so many people try to escape their own to come here. Asking people to bend their knee for a convicted criminal will never catch on here.
The only reason this thread is fading away is because any of us who have tried to make any point at all have been shouted down by people who refuse to acknowledge any specific instances of racism that have been highlighted by BLM, who spout racist tropes about black criminality and who refuse to even countenance that centuries of outright discrimination might have played a role in ensuring that black and ethnic minority people in the UK are more likely to exist in poverty, crime and violence. Eventually, you just say 'what's the point?' - if I was allowed to have those conversations without people losing their rag because they don't like what I'm saying, I'd continue, but they don't, so I'm not going to spend much time debating when it will inevitably end in wet blankets crying about how they don't like when they're compared with people they align with in America who are outright, unashamed racists. You just saying that it's over is bollocks, it'll still be a big thing even if the initial anger is translating into more considered use of time and energy. People walked away from these discussions because we've realised that there's no point in arguing with people who claim to be 'anti-racism' but can't bring themselves to acknowledge that race might be a factor when someone calls someone a 'F*cking N*gger' after they contribute to someone's death. Why focus on those people when there are people out there who are open-minded enough to at least consider that racism may be a big issue for black people in Britain? Chalk another one up for the things that you agree with racists about, but don't like to have pointed out.
Because it's the same thing that racists in America use. They call Floyd a criminal to justify his death (and blame every black victim of violence for their own deaths) and say that people shouldn't be so bothered by the police murdering a man on camera because he had a criminal past.
That is absolute bollocks mind. Just because you dont have sympathy for a career criminal you are racist? I totally agree he shouldn't have died the way he did but I've got no sympathy for him. Wonder how that woman feels who had the gun put to her stomach? I feel for the ex policeman who was shot in the head protecting his friends shops when the looting started. Guess what he wasnt white either...
I didn't say you were a racist. Again, this is why I stopped, because people read what they want to read. I'm saying that the exact line that smug uses about 'career criminal' (he didn't have much of a career given he hadn't been convicted of a crime that took place in the last 13 years) is the same line used by the far right in America to justify why people shouldn't care about him dying, except their aim is to subjugate black people and stop them being also bothered about Philando Castille, Alton Sterling, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery and dozens of other egregious, caught on film cases. I'm pointing that out. You can argue that you're not a racist, and that's fine, but I'm not calling you one, I'm simply saying that your argument is also used by racists.
