Well done Tiss for having an opinion https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11988857/le-tissier-blm-sky-sports-far-left/
I shared some of Thatcher's views, didn't mean I was a Tory. I shared some of Churchill's views, didn't mean he was my hero, he wasn't. I shared some of Hitler's opinions, doesn't make me a Nazi. I share some of BLM's aims, doesn't make me an apologist. I think George Floyd was a lowlife criminal, doesn't make me a racist.
I'm not. What I'm uncomfortable with is you relentlessly tarring me, and other posters, with the racist brush without ever having the guts to say so. I don't like sly little hypocrites and cowards like you and will happily say so. You've declared as fact that Floyd's death was a racially motivated attack based on the colour of the officers skin which makes you a racist, as I've said before. There, easy isn't it ....
Compared to the horrific life millions lead, in Africa, the descendants of slaves have it cushy ... ... this is why Africans risk crossing the Channel is a rubber dinghy in the dead of the night. But they aren't the big headline Africans, like Floyd, just the flotsam and jetsam who the protestors choose to ignore. It's left to people like the Red Cross, Salvation Army, churches, charities and others to try to help them. They quietly get on with things while the brave activists jump around for the TV cameras.
From RTG today, from a grown man ... ... Kittenmittons, accusing people of being racists but not having the balls to say who. So completely obsessed with 'Smug' he's taking his cause to other forums to drum up support. As usual it's a 500 word essay, packed with internet buzz phrases, that no one ever gets to the end of "Good post this. I see a lot of people who insist that they don't see colour, that they treat everyone fairly, and that they deplore racism. When BLM is brought to their attention, their reaction has been entirely negative. They don't like the wording, they don't like the method, they don't like the people behind it, they think George Floyd was a career criminal and no loss to the world, they don't believe racism is a big problem in 2020, they think racism works both ways and they're a victim of racism too. They don't believe, even if any of these things are true, that people in Britain should take a stand against anything happening in America. But they definitely hate racism. If only you can find an example of it that fits their version of racism. On 606 someone argued that even though Ahmaud Arbery's pursuer stood over him after he had been shot and called him a 'F****n N*****r' according to an eyewitness, he should be given the benefit of the doubt and race may not have played any role in the killing. Most of the above describes a subset of disingenuous people who are happy to turn the other cheek because it doesn't impact them directly and who claim to be anti-racist, but who enact that anti-racism by completely refusing to accept any incidents of racism, or any changes that could be made. They refuse to accept that 'systemic' racism doesn't have a big sign saying 'we are being racist'. it doesn't have separate bathrooms in America, 'No blacks, no dogs, no Irish' signs on shop door fronts, or bananas on the pitch. It's something deeper rooted in psyches, in decisions for jobs, in the way the police subconsciously treat people, in the way some of us (not all white people are guilty) immediately take the side of the white aggressor when told about an incident that ends in an innocent black man's life being ended. So if you say you're anti-racist, but then refuse to acknowledge any instances of racism, and align yourself with the same values and tropes that American far right racists use, then maybe you need to reconsider one of those two things." So far there's only been one totally inevitable response to his post, " So if you dont agree with BLM agenda, you must be racist?" If I can't be right on one forum I'll try another ....
I think George Floyd was a career criminal, not because he's black, but because it's been widely reported in the media that he was. I haven't made up the fact he held a loaded gun at a pregnant woman's womb, I read that in the Independent article linked by Woody earlier. I think all lives matter and any statement that promotes one group of humans over another I find distasteful, whether that be black lives, white lives or any colour you like lives. I also find it ****ing incredulous that BLM didn't bother mentioning modern day slavery when talking about 'liberating black lives' but will happily pull down a statue of a bloke who has been dead and buried for a few hundred years. Then again I have the suspicion that BLM are operating with an evil white racist narrative and any criticism of this or any facts that offer a different perspective will be ignored and I'll end up being called a racist instead. Madness.
It's ridiculous that people in 2020 are so thick that they can't accept any criticism of this issue and just brand you a racist. A quick litmus test with these people is to ask which race of people they like best ... ... they can never ever give a straight answer because they know that it would totally undo their argument. If they actually manage to blurt something out you can see them cringing as they anticipate your follow up question ... ... who do you like least? That's when they panic and start talking gibberish, and it happens every time. (For the record it's Italians and South Africans for me.)
This is one of the reasons I just don't trust BLM, sorry but there's something rotten in there .... The BLM UK account wrote: "As Israel moves forward with the annexation of the West Bank, and mainstream British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism, and Israel's settler colonial pursuits, we loudly and clearly stand beside our Palestinian comrades. FREE PALESTINE."
All of these comedians who "blacked up" having to apologise makes no sense to me. There would've been nothing racist in what they did, it was just to get a laugh from people. When I was 19, me and 4 of my mates went to a fancy dress party as the Jackson 5 - is that a racist act as we blacked up for it and mimed to their songs. Does any male who is straight and not one in the LGBTQ quotient who previously dressed as a woman need to be taken off screen? It is the same principle issue of "discrimination surely? Unless racism is worse than sexism? (I don't think either are worse by the way, I think they are equally as bad as are all forms of discrimination) I was looking through films on Sky last night and Aladdin has a warning about "outdated views" etc. It's a kids cartoon and they have to put that on. Is that because Robin Williams put on a jamaican accent at one point or something (iirc!)
Eddie Murphy in coming to America "whited up", is there an apology coming or are some people just able to laufg it off as humour the way it was intended?
The issue the majority are dealing with here is that the movement has been hijacked and driven by the woke left. There’s an ever changing definition of what racism is, so we are all constantly playing catch up. Six weeks ago we could have been sat here wondering how we can help black people feel equal, now the woke left are forcing us to look inwardly at phrases that we would have never associated with racism and products which we never would have associated with oppression. The radical minority begin to drive it in a different direction as Smug points out, ‘Free Palestine’. The same demographic who think common sense can go out the window because they can blame all deaths on Dominic Cummings. They have obliterated a peaceful cry for help which could have been groundbreaking, they ruin everything.
I agree with much of this but don't just think it's a radical extreme that bothers me. I think a lot of people, like myself, feel falsely accused of a crime someone else has committed. A miniscule percentage benifitted from slavery yet anyone white is supposed to hang their heads in shame. They won't and there'll be an inevitable backlash. The PL shirts, knee bending, Floyd saluting was a massive mistake. Just as people are accused, falsely imo, of eulogising Colston we have people doing the same with Floyd. Having a convicted career criminal as the figurehead of your movement is idiotic imo. It erodes your argument before it has the chance to really take hold. The defence of him is laughable and people are calling him a martyr ffs. "He hasn't been in trouble for a few years" roughly translates as "He hasn't been caught recently". Asking people to drop to their knees to honour a petty criminal is ludicrous and I'm sure there'll be a few who'll want to forget they ever did it. I often look at calls for people to be knighted and think 'hang on that's a bit quick and do we really know this person'. If you act impulsively you end up with knighthoods being retracted when the person turns out to be a thief, liar, pervert, whatever. I think that's what's happened here and it will all unravel.
I got called a terrible person on RTG for saying how it's one less scumbag in the world. Why should I have any sympathy for a career criminal in another country who had put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach? Good riddance to the horrible kernt.
The equation is set in stone for some people .... Colour causes prejudice Prejudice causes inequality Inequality causes poverty Poverty causes crime Therefore: Prejudiced people are to blame. No matter how many drugs are taken, no matter how many guns are carried, no matter how many people are mugged/robbed/killed it's the fault of white people if the perpetrators are black ... ... if it's white people, commiting the crimes, that's also their fault. Once you accept that, the argument suddenly makes sense. Edit: If you don't agree, you're a racist
With the announcement that football clubs will be pushed into accepting black managers, etc, I think many people will think that it's become a bit silly ... ... what next, a compulsory blind, deaf and disabled quota ffs? Sadly I think that the whole thing has been badly mishandled and, tbh, hysteria never lasts, only common sense. If anyone doubts that the momentum has left BLM just ask how many of the 2 million UK black people will be at the next protest. Surely if the oppression, prejudice and racism was as bad as some people claim, there'd be many more than a thousand or two. Martin Luther King had a quarter of a million at his ... ... but that was pre-Sky and food deliveries, so perhaps people have just grown lazy.
The “black managers” Thing really annoys me. It’s not racist, it’s just that there are no decent black managers. Paul Ince, Sol Campbell both utterly awful and failed in management. If there was a black manager with the skill of Guardiola or Koop, they’d be employed because of their quality not because they’re black. And to say, as I heard argued fairly recently, “nobody’s giving them a chance” IT’S BECAUSE THEY FAILED WHEREVER THEY’VE BEEN NOT COS THEY’RE BLACK!!!
Do you think that asking clubs to consider interviewing more managers from a black or ethnic minority background is the same as asking them to employ people who are physically impaired from seeing or hearing football players smug?
