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If we as a society do not care for the most vulnerable who have some of the severest mental health conditions imaginable then we as a society are selfish and cowardly and innocent lives will continue to be damaged and destroyed cos we can not be ****ed to do the right thing early enough.

Calling him a **** changes nothing.
Reducing the chanes of it happening again could change everything.

Maybe 10 years of austerity cuts to mental health services and special schools prevented the then 17 year old from getting the support he needed and clearly wanted.

 

I appreciate what you are saying brb and what rcl is saying but if that was my child, id have killed the guy myself and i dont even have a child.

I understand he has excuses and that he probably should have had more help (although it does sound like he has social workers on his case) but he is dangerous and this doesnt excuse his acts.

To go to an extreme most serial killers have had ****ed up lives and have mental issues due to their upbringing but the reality is once this has happened then they have to be incarcerated

 

Bobby you would have every right to feel like that if it was your child. I would feel exactly the same if it was my child or grandchild. However, I'm not talking as a parent of the child, I'm talking from outside the situation looking in. What could have been done, to save them poor parents and child the traumatic events they have gone through, and will continue to go through in the aftermath. I've also already stated, he will spend the rest of his life in Broadmoor, I've not attempted to lighten his sentence in anyway. My point is his condition was known, he had told his carers what he was going to do, yet nothing was done. It should also be noted, that since we have come out of lockdown, we have seen high levels of unprecedented violence on our streets, should we lock them all up to, or do we look for the cause and what we can do to curtail it from happening again. Generally that involves spending money, and actually taking the problems seriously, but we'd rather spend the money on rebuilding peoples destroyed lives, and highly expensive medical bills, to keep those affected, either a live or physically supported in the aftermath. That's not counting the cost of the trial at the old bailey, police investigations and the cost of keeping this guy securely in Broadmoor, the whole system is arse about face. False economy.

 

He lobbed a small child off a building. He’s absolutely to blame, no ifs no buts.

System failed him my arse. The system failed the kid, and his family. Not the perpetrator.

 

No responsibility...'its the systems fault I'm such a ****'

He said he was going to do it and he did. Utter ****.

 

I'd chuck him off a building,that'd be the end of it.

 

There is a certain irony in that there is a debate going on about this lad and whether the state failed him etc. No real mention of the victim and his family.

The state didn't throw a 6 year old kid off a roof - an evil little **** did... and what's more had planned to see somebody 'fly' in advance.

I don't believe that he had no concept of right and wrong or that medication or the lack of it was behind the act. Missus has a cousin with ASD and the lad struggles with temper, focus etc but has held down a job all his life and has 3 kids - he wouldn't harm someone else's as he was brought up to know right from wrong.

I suspect that if we asked him if he fancied being lobbed from the same roof he would be alert enough to decline.

No sympathy at all for him. He should never be released into society.

Just my opinion, of course and tinged with being a father for sure.

 

The only drugs they should administer is a lethal injection.

 

I understand we should do more for MH and that like with most things like youth crime, if we had the professional resources (like social clubs) then we can reduce the actual fallout when something goes wrong like crime. I would understand it if he accidently killed someone because he didn't know the consequences like setting fire to a bin and it spread to a house and killed some people. Nothing will convince me that choosing someone let alone a child and chucking them off a building is an act that was due to his MH. Some people are just ****ed up. He can't even use lockdown as an excuse because he did this last year in august, pre meditated.

Not sure what you mean by the violence on the street (unless you are talking about the protests) but we certainly don't lock up all violent crimes or robberies etc and we currently strike a balance (maybe due to a lack of magistrates and prison space). As with all situations, each case should be looked at individually and i don't think there should be a blanket rule in locking everyone up for violence. Theres the level of violence, the consequence of the violence and the reason for the violence (not sure that last one is looked at really when sentencing)

 

I love the way everyone jumps on this because I tend to look at it from a different angle.

No where have I said he is not to blame. No where have I said he shouldn't remain locked up. My thoughts are merely what could have happened to have prevented this from happening in the first place, because as you say, it failed the kid and the family.

If you don't face up to the failings, then we are just waiting for the next victim, the next suffering a family may have to endure.

All we get is the usual stupid shhite of lethal injection. That does not prevent the occurence of such an event, that does not get to the root cause of the problem.

We see various incidents on our streets from homelessness to people going round stabbing one another, for that we look at the social structure, seems to me the same rules don't apply to mental health.

If the same attitudes applied to MH as they do racism, we would be in a better place, maybe the next time a black guy takes the life of another black guy, maybe that assilant should be given a lethal injection to or as some are saying chuck him off a building, maybe we should stab them to death in the same manner.

My point being we seem to not be applying an even brush. In no way am I defending the killer, I'm just not taking the easy option of applying a death sentence on him.

We saw I think it was a Libyan take out three lives in Reading the other day, shall we apply the death sentence to him to, or does this criteria only apply to Mental Health?

 

He threw a six year old child off a building. Deliberately.

It's not the same as any of the above

System failed him, do me a ****ing favour.

Virtue signalling bollocks at it's worst.

 

So a Libyan guy went to a park and randomly killed three people, do you apply the same mentality to him, should he be subject to a death sentence by lethal injection, before a court judgement has even been passed?

 

Yes.

 

Or do you have an excuse for his actions as well?

 

Thankfully you don't run the judicial system in this country.

 

Yes, thankfully.

Although I'd probably save a lot of money on beds and the medication the poor dears need.

 

Where does your cull end ?

 

It was in response to brb maintaining this bloke should be given a nice comfy bed and all the medication he needs. I don't actually think everyone should be put to death, I just find the virtue signalling to be utterly tedious.

He deliberately threw a child from a building, I don't get why anyone would make excuses for this person.

 

Show me where i used those words 'nice comfy bed.'

 

So how would you decide which ones need executing, because you would need to make the decision before they went and killed surely, otherwise your system has failed?

Unless you think the death sentence is a deterrent, whereas thousands of people were executed via capital punishment in our murkey past, yet I don't ever remember hearing from an historian that it saved countless innocent lives, from the hands of a killer.