One thing that a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that George Floyd was a career criminal with several viscious assaults to his name. Whilst i agree that the footage is horrendous where he is saying "i can't breathe" there is no footage of what may or may not have transpired before the "concerned public" commenced filming. Lets just say for arguments sake that he'd resisted arrest and attempted to attack the police when 1st confronted. What if hypotheticaly they'd restrained him and he's claimed he couldn't breathe and once they released their grip he lunged at them again. Now, i'm not saying that this happened but IF it had, would the police be justified in holding him down a second time? At what stage are law enforcement entitled to protect their own safety over the scum that they're arresting?
What an absolute mess. What is the appropriate action Wilfred Ndidi should take during the event? Not kneel? Not show his solidarity with a noble aim of eliminating racism? Perhaps get a loudspeaker and also list a number of other causes that he believes are worthy at the same time? Or if he believes in the fight against racism, perhaps kneeling is entirely fine? But again, you tell us, what should he have done differently as everyone knelt? As for the Nigeria issues, it's classic whataboutery. The kneeling is about racism, you've just decided that since there are other problems in his home country, he can only discuss racism once he addresses them too. And you, can you only discuss the Dijon situation in France once you have talked about problems we have back home? Does it invalidate your thoughts on it? No, of course not, so why should Wilfred Ndidi or any other black player of foreign descent be told they can only be taken seriously in their anti-racism protests if they also address events back in their home country? Again, just wilful misinterpretation of the BLM message because it suits you to make facetious arguments that aren't based on reality. As for the American problem... First off George Floyd is one of a number of very high profile, caught on camera police shootings. This is what has highlighted how the police are conditioned to treat black people in America differently. It's not about the raw number, it's about how as a % of the population (13%) they are disproportionately the victims of police brutality and killings when they encounter police in any circumstance. Philando Castille had a busted tail light and got killed, George Floyd used a fake $20 note and died, Breonna Taylor was just asleep and died. If a black person has a weapon of any kind, the police shoot first and ask questions later. Meanwhile, Dylan Roof kills 9 black people in a methodist church and is taken in alive and given a Burger King when he's hungry. White people are treated differently by police in america and that is a fact: https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...gs-are-a-leading-cause-of-death-for-black-men When you watch the video of George Floyd being killed, you see someone who does not care about the human being he is killing. I work in America, I have spent a lot of time there, I speak to American people every day and I employ them. Racism is a huge problem in the US and one of the most disturbing parts is the way it manifests itself in actions that disproportionately (but of course, entirely coincidentally) just happen to end in the deaths of black people more than white people. Sure, you can argue that Derek Chauvin wasn't doing it because he was black, but the police in America have these interactions so often, and protect their own so often (see Botham Jean and the way that played out, how the force tried to get his killer off with blatant murder) that whatever is motivating this guy, it is disproportionately killing black people more than it should. So yes, people see the way this racism has seeped into the most basic parts of life in America and it is fair to say that George Floyd would be more likely to be alive today if he was white. Just because he didn't scream racial epithets does not mean he treated that black man the way he should have been, and if you know anyone who has spent considerable time in America (there are two of us here on differing sides saying the same thing) then yes, racism is likely a subconscious factor in this.
Well let's see. You think 8 minutes 46 seconds, a solid 3 minutes of which were while he was unconscious and gargling as he died, was appropriate use of force? Christ.
Some of your points don't fit the agenda I'm afraid. There was the other lad who resisted arrest, grabbed the officer's Taser and fired it at them. Now, if someone is capable of that, it's quite possible that if the Taser has incapacitated the officer he'd have grabbed the gun. If you've never been in a situation like that you wouldn't know how you'd react. Training is great but no one knows when their arse will go and that's a fact. Did the police officer intend to kill the bloke, no they just wanted to put the cuffs on.
At which point I stopped reading. You've no idea what a clown you make yourself look and no idea how to debate without appearing pompous.
Bollocks. 47 people died in the USA last year as result of police shootings. Google it as the FBI issue a report every year. Blacks make up 13% of the population but commit 47% of the violent crime so of course police are going to take more precautions. Have you bothered to look at the cases of innocent white people who have been killed by police? Last year or late the year before there was a white Australian ex-pat gunned down by police because she had a mobile phone in her hand. For the record the policeman was not white. By all means do your research but please present a balanced view if you're going to get on a high horse and preach a moral crusade. Damned lies and statistics hey
Just out of curiosity where does this figure of 80,000+ come from. I know nothing about this man tbh., but I know a lot of white people made an awful lot of money out of slavery, and the compensation was of course paid to the wrong people.
If he'd attempted to assault the police prior to the footage then hell yes. Do you think the pregnant woman who's stomach he held a pistol to is shedding any tears or remorse?
And as usual, you take one line of something and use it as justification to ignore any other elements of it, That's the last time I waste any time trying to have a discussion in good faith with you. Why not read the rest of it? Your post was a mess and yet I still responded to it despite all the ****e you've sent my way.
This is not true, or at least there is no evidence for it. Snopes debunked it, Bob Kroll (MPD union leader) didn't say it, and he said A LOT. You've bought into exactly what people want you to believe. And do you have any evidence that he assaulted police beforehand? Given that nobody from the defence team or the union has alleged this in their defence of Chauvin? If you don't have any evidence that you did, you're justfying his murder based on something that he didn't do, so why not focus on what you saw, instead of what you can make up to justify it?
Here, I copied and pasted it below without the mess bit for sensitive souls. ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ What is the appropriate action Wilfred Ndidi should take during the event? Not kneel? Not show his solidarity with a noble aim of eliminating racism? Perhaps get a loudspeaker and also list a number of other causes that he believes are worthy at the same time? Or if he believes in the fight against racism, perhaps kneeling is entirely fine? But again, you tell us, what should he have done differently as everyone knelt? As for the Nigeria issues, it's classic whataboutery. The kneeling is about racism, you've just decided that since there are other problems in his home country, he can only discuss racism once he addresses them too. And you, can you only discuss the Dijon situation in France once you have talked about problems we have back home? Does it invalidate your thoughts on it? No, of course not, so why should Wilfred Ndidi or any other black player of foreign descent be told they can only be taken seriously in their anti-racism protests if they also address events back in their home country? Again, just wilful misinterpretation of the BLM message because it suits you to make facetious arguments that aren't based on reality. As for the American problem... First off George Floyd is one of a number of very high profile, caught on camera police shootings. This is what has highlighted how the police are conditioned to treat black people in America differently. It's not about the raw number, it's about how as a % of the population (13%) they are disproportionately the victims of police brutality and killings when they encounter police in any circumstance. Philando Castille had a busted tail light and got killed, George Floyd used a fake $20 note and died, Breonna Taylor was just asleep and died. If a black person has a weapon of any kind, the police shoot first and ask questions later. Meanwhile, Dylan Roof kills 9 black people in a methodist church and is taken in alive and given a Burger King when he's hungry. White people are treated differently by police in america and that is a fact: https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...gs-are-a-leading-cause-of-death-for-black-men When you watch the video of George Floyd being killed, you see someone who does not care about the human being he is killing. I work in America, I have spent a lot of time there, I speak to American people every day and I employ them. Racism is a huge problem in the US and one of the most disturbing parts is the way it manifests itself in actions that disproportionately (but of course, entirely coincidentally) just happen to end in the deaths of black people more than white people. Sure, you can argue that Derek Chauvin wasn't doing it because he was black, but the police in America have these interactions so often, and protect their own so often (see Botham Jean and the way that played out, how the force tried to get his killer off with blatant murder) that whatever is motivating this guy, it is disproportionately killing black people more than it should. So yes, people see the way this racism has seeped into the most basic parts of life in America and it is fair to say that George Floyd would be more likely to be alive today if he was white. Just because he didn't scream racial epithets does not mean he treated that black man the way he should have been, and if you know anyone who has spent considerable time in America (there are two of us here on differing sides saying the same thing) then yes, racism is likely a subconscious factor in this.
You've picked one sentence out his post mate ... ... apparently you're not allowed to do that. The law according to Kittenmittons is that you have to systematically go through every line and respond accordingly. He'll just ignore anything he can't answer so there's very little point, but good luck with it.
If you read what i said, i actually stated that no one saw what happened before the cameras started filming. Fwiw, defence lawyers normally play their cards close to their chest as it helps their client with civil compensation claims down the track. I'm not justifying his murder based upon what i didn't see, i'm saying that in the scheme of things the world is a lot better place without George Floyd in it. Were you aware that his family don't support the protests? Edit: So what you're trying to say is that the police, knowing that they were apprehending a violent criminal, should have been relaxed with their approach?
Maybe it should be for your own consideration, given you just argued only 47 people died in police shootings?
Apologies Kits, just looked Edward Colston up on Wiki,and they quote the figure. He was indeed involved in the transportation of slaves from Africa to the West Indies, so he was in essence responsible, and to have a statue of anyone connected to the evil trade still standing is wrong and the council should be ashamed of themselves for not removing it in the first place.
My mistake, it was 47 police who were killed in the line of duty. Have you never made a mistake? I'm guessing not.
And because you seem to think this proves anything, I turned it into a spreadsheet with the important bit in there:
