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Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

Discussion in 'Watford' started by andytoprankin, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    Sadly money rules...... If we had isolated a week earlier and come out a week later we would have so much better positioned now.....
    Reminds me of F1 tactics.... when to pit and come out in a good position..... but will the car last the race or succumb ???
     
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  2. Bolton's Boots

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    Here's Trump 'out-Trumping' himself at a rally in Tulsa - saying that he ordered authorities to slow down the rate of coronavirus testing because it was adding to the number of COVID-19 infections being recorded.<doh>

    To add to his stupidity, he went ahead with the rally knowing that six of the campaign workers who helped set it up had tested positive.<doh><doh>

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...ordered-slowdown-coronavirus-testing/12377556
     
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    This should be read in context Frenchie. The lower the number of cases in a country the more volatile this r-number becomes. With such low overall figures then one outbreak - such as at the firm Tonnies is likely to influence this number significantly, which wouldn't be the case in Russia or the UK. It is true that the discipline behind the lockdown is breaking down - but it can be reinforced on a localized basis when needed. This one factory, which is in a municipality close to Gütersloh has led to the whole area being shut down (I think the town is called Weidenbruck). The conditions in abattoirs are highly condusive to outbreaks of this type - but, unfortunately, the whole area has to suffer as a result.
     
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    I should add that too much is being made of this r-number Frenchie. It is obvious that the more successfull you are in driving down overall numbers, the more the danger arises that this r-number rises from such local cases. For example - if you have only 100 cases in a country and you suddenly have an outbreak of 20-30 people then this figure rockets. What is important is the number of active cases ie. that the number of people tested as being cured is higher than the number of new cases on a daily basis. The number of active cases in Germany has risen - but only by about the same number as were infected in this one factory.
     
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  6. oldfrenchhorn

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    I wouldn't disagree with the logic of what you say, it was actually where the outbreaks were occurring outside of the Tonnies place that made me aware that it could break out again easily. Hospitals, nursing homes etc had a mention, although no figures were given.
     
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  7. Mexican Hornet

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    Things are opening up here.

    No one seems to gie a monekys mind and a lot of cartels have made the violence rise.

    Welcome to México.
     
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  8. Markthehorn

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    I think people would rather keep the social distancing rules than have to wear masks all the time tbh.

    Particularly with the hot weather coming up.

    Tbh from what I read and hear a lot would just prefer to get back to normal which clearly cannot happen.
     
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    Local outbreaks of Covid-19 could grow undetected because the government is failing to share crucial testing data, council leaders and scientists have warned.

    More than a month after being promised full details of who has caught the disease in their areas, local health chiefs are still desperately lobbying the government’s testing tsar, Baroness Harding, to break the deadlock and share the data.

    The situation was described by one director of public health as a “shambles”, while a scientist on the government’s own advisory committee said it was “astonishing” that public health teams are unable to access the information.


    We have seen that in Germany authorities in North Rhine-Westphalia are bringing back local lockdown measures after a coronavirus outbreak linked to a meatpacking plant. The UK government says it has watched how other countries have handled the crisis, but then seems to ignore what they have been doing, and even worse try to cover up evidence that doesn't support their action. To average out results across the whole UK and say all is well is ridiculous.

    It is extremely concerning that the government appears to have decided to ignore the scientific advice of its own Sage committee. That quite clearly says it it is soon to reduce the distance from 2 metres to 1 mature.. Independent Sage has done its own review of the available evidence and we agree with Sage’s conclusion.

    So another case of government not being led by the science, but putting the pressures coming at them from pub chains first. Wealth before Health make a nice little catchphrase.
     
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  12. colognehornet

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    As a result of the outbreak at Tonnies the whole area of Gütersloh is back under lockdown (altogether about 300,000 inhabitants) so the firm is not going to be very popular !
     
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  13. yorkshirehornet

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    Meanwhile.... the PM has just opened the floodgates over here!
     
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  14. Markthehorn

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    Pubs and restaurants to open up then.

    How long before the poor NHS is clogged up with accidents due to drunken behaviour?!

    No gyms or swimming pools allowed to open yet - hasn't gone down.
     
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    "When the government says it’s safe for vulnerable people to come out of shielding, it’s worth remembering it’s the same government that threw a protective ring around care homes."
    "When the pubs re-open, it doesn't mean the virus has gone away. It just means they have room for you in intensive care."

    Two political comments I know, but just try and find any opinion from a medical background that supports what Johnson is doing.
     
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    A word of warning - the latest spike in virus cases in Melbourne (20 new cases, would you believe) has caused a return of panic buying.

    Supermarkets have run out of toilet rolls again...
     
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  17. Markthehorn

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    Yes that is true - people still need to be careful and "stay alert" but unfortunately you just know youngsters will all rush to the pubs - even more so if the football is on!

    I can see the Red Lion for example getting busy outside the Vic.
     
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  18. colognehornet

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    I am sincerely hoping that outbreaks in factories will lead to a review of working conditions for some workers. Abattoirs and meat packing firms are obvious cases where this virus can spread easily - partly because the temperatures are favourable (ie. cool and dry) and secondly because social distancing is almost impossible to maintain there - in addition working conditions are so loud that workers have to either shout to each other, or come up closer to each other. The fact that such firms also employ mostly guest workers from other countries who are not paid when sick, and who often live together in cramped conditions is a disgrace. You can describe conditions in these firms as slave labour - no more, no less - which, unfortunately, needs a case like this to come to light - as if previously people were walking around with blinkers on taking their cheap meat as something which fell from the skies.
     
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    Three Welsh meat and food plants now have Covid-19 among its workers - 34 cases linked to Kepak in Merthyr Tydfil and 70 at Rowan Foods in Wrexham. with 200 at Llangefni on Anglesey.

    Health Minister Mr Gething said outbreaks in meat and food processing plants had been a feature of the pandemic around the world and food producers had been "generally good" at complying with Covid-19 workplace regulations.

    However, he said: "We also know in the meat processing sector, operating margins can be very tight, many people are employed on fairly low pay and levels of statutory sick pay mean many people feel they have no choice but to carry on working when they are ill."

    It doesn't seem that in Wales there is a huge amount of foreign labour as in all of the plants there are union branches, but the low pay is certainly an issue with people being forced to return to work far too soon.
     
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  20. colognehornet

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    Possibly a closer parallel in the UK would be amongst seasonal workers in agriculture Frenchie who mostly live together in hostels and who receive nothing when sick. Normally they have been recruited in their own countries by labour leasing firms and very often come to the UK under contract promises which bare little resemblance to what is actually offered when they get there - by then it is too late to go back. In the meat processing sector in Germany it may be the case that the involvement of manpower leasing firms leads to the same result.
     
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