I might be dumb and uneducated by a lot of standards but if they have no context today then what does it matter if they stay up? It would appear that there are some people who are offended by them for past events, just as there are some who are proud of them for past events. @Shameless I'd be interested in your views of the pressure that the University of Virginia was put under to change theire cavalier handle because the ribbed grip was supposedly a reminder of a serpentine fence on the campus grounds that was erected to "hide the slaves". Surely even you must agree that if it's got to the stage where we're supposed to be offended by how someone interprets a squiggle it's getting beyond a joke. What next, Man Utd have to change their nickname because religious lives matter? Religious persecution has been occurring forthouands of years.
'Religious persecution has been occurring for thouands of years.' That's very true mate ... ... our Sunday School teacher used to clout us with the Bible if we giggled in class. Is this the kind of thing you mean?
It's amazing, given how impossible it is to disprove, how many people are adamant that it doesn't exist, don't you think?
Well as I have said, some of these statue debates have gone a bit silly However, there are some statues I would prefer to be taken down (and that does not include Churchill or Baden Powell btw). As for that emblem - I heard that Thomas Jefferson said he wanted heavy doors there because he didn't want people to hear the noises emanating from the area where the slaves we being worked. Read into that what you will, you may have your own opinion but ultimately it is for the community in Virginia to decide what is best for the University of Virginia
Well, despite your claims I've seen no one on here say that they're adamant ... .... keep your fingers crossed though, you might eventually find a valid target for your outrage. If you can exain what you mean by systemic racism I'd know if I agree or not. No one has actually stated what it is yet so there's quite a bit of guesswork.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/uva-changes-slavery-logo-trnd/index.html https://www.cavalierdaily.com/artic...ites-controversy-over-use-of-serpentine-walls I guess the point is, if a squiggle depicting the wall is offensive why aren't they demanding that walls be torn down?
The SAFC badge has an image of the Penshaw monument. From memory that was erected to honour one of the architects of the colonies of the British Empire ... ... let's hope BLM don't find out or they'll be up the hill with sledgehammers.
It makes you wonder where it will all end. Will Ghana have to change nick name of their international football team? What about the All Blacks? Are we allowed to refer to SAFC as Black Cats?
We can change our name to the Black & White cats Seriously, the Penshaw monument is little different to the Colston statue, a tribute to an elitist who believed in his superiority over foreigners and his right to control their lives. And this was much later than Colston, Jefferson, etc .... ... the days of that monument are surely numbered.
I spent a few years living in Spain. And found it very difficult to intergrate into the Spanish community. Was it because of the 2 week holiday makers who drunk too much? Did that give me a bad name? Was it because of the Spanish people, were they racist towards me? No, it was my fault. I didnt invest my time into their culture, and in fact, went out of my way to find things of my own culture, and find people from my own country. I had a business in Spain. It was eventually copied by a Spanish person who then effectively took over my rented premises, with the permission of the Spanish property owner. Did I think it was unfair, yes. But I guess they see it fit to give their business to their own people. The same way Anthony Joshua is advising his people to do business.
