1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Takeover (Covid-19/20)

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by RobEllious, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    30,155
    Likes Received:
    17,294
    Which would have been taxable on him. So rather than pay tax. He offsets the interest with the loss commercial income. Either way. Nufc only lose the bet of the comm income and interest.

    When I used to hear fans say things like “where’s the money gone etc” it used to drive me bonkers he can’t extract the cash without it being visible.
     
    #13621
    Flash likes this.
  2. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    30,323
    Likes Received:
    25,673
    Are you acting for the Club in relation to the HMRC investigation as they are asking the same question....allegedly?

    <whistle>
     
    #13622
  3. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    30,155
    Likes Received:
    17,294
    Ha well. If your interested I can explain.

    The club have provided for an expected future cost, it’s called an accrual to settle the hmrc tax dispute. It’s on the balance sheet and accounted for through the profit and loss account.

    The liability is provided for as a best guess estimate of what the club expects they will have to pay including interest if the revenue price the club has done wrong.

    The fact that the club has provided for said accrual means they are not sure if they will win the case or not. That’s Called prudence. There is a realistic possibility that the Revenue will win.

    The tax and ni losses will be because of tax planning instigated by the clubs accountants at the time. I don’t know what the case is but my best guess is it’s a player rights issue.

    So rather than pay a player salary which is taxed and ni’d by the player and the club (expensive).

    The club pays a rights fee which is not (apparently) taxable through paye. The players gets his money tax free. The club save ers national insurance and the only losers are the revenue.

    Which I might add is basically me and you.
     
    #13623
  4. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    30,323
    Likes Received:
    25,673
    Might not be called “prudence” though as opposed to “insider knowledge “.

    <whistle>
     
    #13624
  5. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    30,155
    Likes Received:
    17,294
    Yes your right. They know it’s tax planning aggressive. But in the tax planning world and provided it’s not tax evasion “shy bairns get nothing”.

    Tax consultants (I’m a qualified tax consultant by the way) look at legislation (tax law) and find loop holes to exploit. When new legislation is written it quite often contradicts older legislation.

    So aggressive and very clever tax consultants can sell tax planning schemes (careful as tax schemes have to be disclosed to the revenue - how dare the revenue want to see our devious schemes) to usually already wealthy people to save significant tax. At a very high fee of course.

    But when these schemes are too aggressive and not in the context of fair play (most schemes are to good to be true right) the the revenue investigate.

    I’ve seen some dodgy **** in my time honestly. For the record I play within the rules of the law and also I’m not a clever tax planner who likes to get their nose dirty.

    Tax consultants and solicitors don’t like each other.
     
    #13625
  6. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    30,323
    Likes Received:
    25,673
    Was one of the first jobs I wanted to do after, of course, retiring from being No 9 for NUFC. I’d read that a Tax Lawyer analysed the budget for about 2 to 3 weeks. (Only one budget at the time). Came up with a devious scheme. Sold it for loads of money. Worked for about 6 to 7 weeks each year but was fabulously well off.

    Didn’t happen as tax law was too difficult and too boring. Mind the Newcastle number 9 hasn’t happened either...yet.
     
    #13626
    Prince Isak (GG) likes this.

  7. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    14,896
    Likes Received:
    10,774
    They are ****s that's why.
     
    #13627
    haslam likes this.
  8. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    30,155
    Likes Received:
    17,294
    Who tax cons or sols?
     
    #13628
  9. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    14,896
    Likes Received:
    10,774
    Everyone.
     
    #13629
    haslam likes this.
  10. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2019
    Messages:
    115,906
    Likes Received:
    60,134
  11. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    30,155
    Likes Received:
    17,294
    Proof.
     
    #13631
  12. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    14,896
    Likes Received:
    10,774
    Faith.
     
    #13632
  13. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    35,048
    Likes Received:
    23,986
    I taught a faith, biggest liar I've ever met
     
    #13633
    It's_all_Greek_to_me likes this.
  14. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    14,896
    Likes Received:
    10,774
    Like all religions
     
    #13634
    Flash likes this.
  15. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    35,048
    Likes Received:
    23,986
    Religion - the ultimate pyramid scheme
     
    #13635
    It's_all_Greek_to_me likes this.
  16. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2011
    Messages:
    14,366
    Likes Received:
    12,267
    I think I’ve realised that the PL are actually not even equipped to deal with this decision. They are woefully out of their depth, have no experience of this. They are just a glorified marketing department. Dare I say this should be a FA or Gov decision.
     
    #13636
  17. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    30,323
    Likes Received:
    25,673
    Not their biggest fan then?
     
    #13637
    It's_all_Greek_to_me likes this.
  18. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    14,896
    Likes Received:
    10,774
    They are ****s. Utter ****s.
     
    #13638
  19. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    30,323
    Likes Received:
    25,673
    Are we talking about Chippy and Jak here or the PL? Just wanting to be clear.
     
    #13639
  20. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    14,896
    Likes Received:
    10,774
    The PL. I have nothing but contempt for them.
     
    #13640

Share This Page