What or who is behind these continuing false charges? The propaganda emanates from a small but well-funded and very vocal group of people and organizations principally supported by Saudi Arabian money. The groups include the American Educational Trust (AET) operated in Washington, DC by former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Andrew I. Kilgore, and a circle of others whose agenda is to attack the present excellent symbiotic relationship between the United States and Israel. It includes: the Americans for Mideast Understanding (AMEU) which was reportedly founded with money from Arabian American Oil Company, ARAMCO, and has former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins, who was dismissed by the U.S. State Department in 1975"for being too compliant to Saudi demands" and former congressman Paul Findley serving on its National Council; and the Liberty Alliance operated by Tito De Nagy Howard, who is described as"a man at war with the Israelis" by Anthony Pearson. Howard met Pearson in Dubai and upon learning that Pearson was considered by the PLO to be pro-Palestinian, gave him"an idea to resurrect the Liberty incident as a whole new story." It all started with former Illinois congressman Paul Findley (who was defeated for re-election after he announced his support for the terrorist organization, the PLO) and former California congressman Paul"Pete" McCloskey, who speaks regularly at meetings of Holocaust denial organizations in California and Washington and was defeated for re-election. Findley and McCloskey were the moving force in founding the Liberty Veterans Association. Findley served as its advisor and McCloskey incorporated the association and served as its attorney. They continue to manipulate and distress Liberty survivors and their families by prodding this old wound and preventing its healing â all for their own political agenda. And what is that agenda? Findley and McCloskey are also the founders of the Council for the National Interest (CNI), whose publicly announced purpose is to be the anti-Israel lobby. Distorted explanations of events obfuscate the picture and destroy the ability to learn real lessons for the future. Multiple official investigation reports and endorsements have all concluded the incident was the result of a tragic mistake or that there is no evidence that the attack was deliberate. Nevertheless, dozens of conspiracy stories, in addition to Ward Bostonâs sad confession that he dishonored his oath taken in 1967 and remained silent about it for 36 years, have become part of the literature through the actions of persons and organizations with their own political agenda. The conspiracy stories continue to multiply and become more extreme. They detract from the possibility to learn from the tragedy. They also inflict pain and suffering upon the victims and their families creating an additional tragedy by provoking, goading and torturing the victims with inaccurate, false and even absurd theories about that sad day, not with the goal of bringing closure and peace but for political objectives. As for the victims, they should be left to believe whatever brings them peace. As for historians seeking the truth, it is respectfully suggested that a review of all evidence, now declassified and available, will confirm the official conclusion that the Liberty incident was a tragic case of mistaken identity as a result of numerous mistakes by both the United States and Israel, and will explain the conflicting recollection of Ward Boston, who boasts he is now in his eighties. Perhaps the quotation from a recent speech by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer explains. Breyer said "I am now at the age where I remember quite clearly and with great detail, many things that never actually happened." After forty years, it is time to close the book. Let those who lost their lives rest in peace and be honored in treasured memory. Let the survivors be honored and respected and let them and their families have peace and closure.
Oh look more people hate the jews. Heres a top tip for life, people who hate jews are dangerous and should be wiped out. A list of people who had a problem with jews. Hitler The **** in charge of Iran every muslim leader in the world. All ****s, all dangerous and all ****ing looneys. Agree with them? Then ****ing die. Thanks. Now shut the **** up you tin foil hat wearing ****tards.
Absolute truth, I was brought up a muslim, never again I have turned my back on that life, it is wrong and misguided
I take it you werent here for the previous thread where it was clarified that Ahmadinejad did not make any comments about wiping Israel off the map and was instead grossly misquoted. Also it was pointed out that the Jews in Iran lead a very priveleged and comfortable life. They are represented in the senate and refused land and cash incentives offered by Israel to relocate there. Anyway this isn't a thread about the Jews its about Israel. Israel =/= Jews. Try and be less of a western media drone in future
Why is it that the Loony Left are so quick to apologise and appease Ahmadinejad when time and time again he has repeatedly called for the genocide of the Jews, denies the Holocaust ever happened and repeatedly called for Israel to be wiped off the map? Lost in translation my left buttock!
Find me the quotes then or do you want me to save you the bother, he has never called for the genocide of jews, has never denied the holocaust, has never called for Israel to be wiped off the map. By all means prove me otherwise
His quote oabout Israel was actually "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time", as in the Zionist regime, not the state of Israel itself. He also stated that they had made a "myth" of the holocaust. Not denying its occurence but disputing how it has taken on another level of importance that Israel can play up to to justify itself against any condemnation for its actions
Do Iranians still throw rocks at women accused of cheating on their husbands????? I think thats ok too.... They should get it on SKY SPORTS hd..
I personally would happily live under Sharia law in the UK..................... Women are subhuman...
All jokes aside, this thread was never meant to be another Iran v Israel comparison. Both countries have human rights records that leave much to be desired
I tend to steer clear of siding with either, on the balance of it the Israelis have alienated all their neighbours............ Temple mount will be the trigger for WW3 in my opinion................. Sad really
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's anti-Semitic and anti-Israel views place him and the Iranian regime among the foremost threats to Jews and the state of Israel. Ahmadinejad repeatedly demonizes the state of Israel and openly calls for its destruction at every opportunity. Most notoriously, he described Israel as a "fake regime" that "must be wiped off the map." He termed Zionists "the most detested people in all humanity" and called the extermination of six million Jews during World War II "a myth," claiming that Jews have played up Nazi atrocities during the Holocaust in a bid to extort sympathy for Israel from European governments. Ahmadinejad's virulently anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric and Holocaust denial are often matched by other Iranian leaders, and the Iranian regime itself has continued to sponsor anti-Zionism conferences and pseudo-academic lectures and exhibits questioning the fact of the Holocaust. Here is a year-by-year compilation of Ahmadinejad's statements on Jews, the Holocaust and Israel in his own words.... 2005 December 14, 2005 "Today, they [Europeans] have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets ⦠This is our proposal: give a part of your own land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to them [Jews] so that the Jews can establish their country." (Speaking to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan) December 13, 2005 "If the killing of Jews in Europe is true and the Zionists are being supported because of this excuse, why should the Palestinian nation pay the price?" (Comments published on Iranian state television's Web site) December 8, 2005 "Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces.... Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: Is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem? If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe." (While speaking to reporters at an Islamic summit in Mecca) October 28, 2005 "They [International Zionist and Expansionist Policies of the World Arrogance, i.e. United States and Israel] are cheeky humans, and they think that the entire world should obey them. They destroy Palestinian families and expect nobody to object to them." (Defending his earlier comments) October 26, 2005 "Israel must be wiped off the map ⦠The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land." (In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism') 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
What media outlet have these been taken from? Again he never said it should be wiped off the map, he said "The Zionist regime should be erased from the annals of time", the "wiped off the earth" is a deliberately repeated misquote to infer a totally different meaning. He didn't call the holocaust a myth, he recognised its happening but the myth refers to what has become of the incident over time. must try harder
Once you've finished tying yourself in knots trying to justify Ahmadinejad's anti-Semetic rants and threats of genocide against the Jews, I suggest you try doing some proper research into exactly what is was that he has said and stop relying on the 'Socialist Worker' or whatever source it is you are getting your misinformation from.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html ""Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse." Since Iran has not "attacked another country aggressively for over a century," I put a very worthy point in bold "Jonathan Steele, a columnist for the left-leaning Guardian newspaper in London, recently laid out the case this way: "The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that 'this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,' just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished. He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The 'page of time' phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon." "Khomeini nor Mr. Ahmadinejad suggested that Israel's "vanishing" was imminent or that Iran would be involved in bringing it about. "But the propaganda damage was done," he wrote, "and Western hawks bracket the Iranian president with Hitler as though he wants to exterminate Jews."
