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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Perritts Parrot, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. Ozzymac

    Ozzymac Well-Known Member

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    Ah ha, so the Nubians were the first to use slavery to build monuments then?
     
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    Ozzymac Well-Known Member

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    And the murder of the Black 72 year old retired police chieh by a black man or two happened on Martin Luther king drive. Should the police demand that all statues of hime be torn down?
     
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    Maybe. As a social experiment you could always say "I'm off doon the Chinkies" in the company of East Asians ...
     
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    There's something about an older bloke that has gone to live in Thailand discussing the slave trade...
     
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    Ozzymac Well-Known Member

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    Generally find that my Thai mates don't have an issue with this.
     
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    Perritts Parrot Well-Known Member

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    There would be no old buildings left mate. Almost all were built on some nationality,colour,creed, being lorded over. F*** me its happening here and now , the government are giving the masses advice which they have blatantly went against themselves. The WHITE working class are being thrown under the bus exactly the same as ALL other colours and nationalities in the same position. So on that I'd say it's more classism (if that's a word) than racism that's happening.
     
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  7. The Norton Cat

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    The diversity of Roman civilisation is rarely depicted in Hollywood films either. We know for a fact that there were soldiers from North Africa stationed on Hadrians Wall, for example. Its rarely mentioned that the Roman Emperor Caracalla was black. Hollywood rarely gets these things right. Morgan Freeman played a man of middle eastern heritage in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Ben Kingsley, a man of Indian heritage, has depicted on film real individuals of Italian, German, Spanish, Hungarian, and Indian origins.

    It is wrong that things are incorrectly depicted, but to get offended by vacuous Hollywood casting of people from ancient civilisations just seems to me to detract from the real issues.
     
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  8. Ozzymac

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    Suggest that you have a read of this indigenous womans thoughts. Not only is she indigenous but she's a woman to boot. She must be truly oppressed...

     
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    'offended' is such a ****ing stupid way of putting anything. I ain't 'offended', I feel people should be equal. Not just treated equally, but I feel poorer areas of the UK should have more support than richer ones where there are more resources in communities and for individuals due to decades of unequal distribution of resource around the country.. Do any of you disagree with that?
     
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    Kittenmittons Well-Known Member

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    I love the 'I know a black person who doesn't feel like it's that bad' argument.

    Why does your friend's view matter more than the tens of thousands of people from black communities who do feel they are treated unequally?
     
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    And yes, of course I'd sit down with a black man, listen to his views, give him my opinion and probably agree to disagree if he feels differently because I'm not telling anyone to feel oppressed or offended, I'm simply saying that racism exists. Him not feeling racism does not mean it doesn't exist. I know people who do and people who don't feel it's played a big role in their lives. It doesn't change whether the stats back up mistreatment and lack of progress that is very much linked to decades of racism.

    As Marcus Rashford pointed out today, 45% of black kids in the UK are in poverty. 26% of white kids are in poverty. How did that happen? Anyone want to suggest any reasons?
     
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  12. Perritts Parrot

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    Maybe because there's more than one way of looking at and seeing things. What's to say there aren't 10s of thousands from black communities that feel the same way but are afraid to do so as it would be seen as going against the mob.
     
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    And how would you propose to measure that? How do you quantify it?
     
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    Because people base their opinions on these matters on their own experiences. The message gets subverted by someone attacking something that is very familiar to many people (e.g. a tv programme, a historical figure) and saying that thing is racist/sexist/transphobic etc. People then think "but my friend who could be offended by that thing isn't offended by it" and they reach the conclusion that it must just be agitators or troublemakers who are driving this, because their friend is a reasonable person. And thus, the whole movement becomes open to ridicule. To succeed with any such movement, its important to win hearts and minds. Attacking things that many people hold dear is not the way to do that.
     
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    F****d if I know. There seems to be as split in white people who support the BLM movement, there's also a lot who disagree with how it's being achieved. So why can't there be a split in the blacks?
     
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    Well we could also talk about Ms J K Rowling, who does appear to have got herself into a bit of bother.
     
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    A typical response from you.

    Can I respectfully suggest that you learn to accept/control your 'issues' rather than hiding behind them and allowing your behaviour/postings to be determined by them.
     
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    Your point being?
     
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    Shameless Well hung member

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    As did all early civilisations ....just because ******* people enslaved there own race does not excuse the gross inhumanity of enslaving millions of Africans as a profit-making commodity and then subjugate this group of people further in our so named civilised communities by denying them the right to equal opportunities, including denial of the structures of systemic racism that continues to play out unfairly to many ethnic and racial minority groups of people to this day
     
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  20. Ozzymac

    Ozzymac Well-Known Member

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    And the millions of caucasians who have also been enslaved over the centuries? Should we march for them and feel aggrieved for the discretions of the past?

    Pray tell which equal opportunities they have been denied in our society?

    Do they have a right to education? Yes
    Do they have the right to vote? Yes
    Do they have the basic human rights we all enjoy? Yes
    Are they entitled to social security benefits? Yes (In some countries i might add they're entitled to more)

    So please, educate me on these "equal opportunities" that they are currently being denied.
     
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