I just wanted to be clear of what you're saying. The bulk of your lengthy post, if not all, is talking about systemic racism in the US police. That's all fine, and correct, but it's becoming a little tedious when people keep trying to tarv us with the same brush. We're nowhere near as bad as America and attacking British police is wrong ... ... no matter which branch you hang from.
Understandably you ignored my last question directed to you, so I’ll try another one. Do you know how many black people were stabbed in London, last year? Why weren’t BLM on the streets protesting about that? Could it be because both the attackers and victims were nearly always black men? You are highlighting a few incidents from the police over god knows how long but what about the regular stabbings Black on black? Why aren’t BLM discussing this?
It's quite simple, I don't believe the police force is a bastion of racism and think you're wildly exaggerating ... ... simple as that.
I literally addressed that in the first line, but for clarity, first the police treat black on black crime very seriously and those people end up in prison. That is not an injustice. When a white police officer here or in the US commits a crime, they are allowed to walk free. That is an injustice. Oh and second, there are a number initiatives within the black community to address the reasons for gang violence and try to intervene early in the cycle. It's not hard to find them. But again, this is about white police being allowed to brutalise black people more than they brutalise white people, and then ot being punished when they break the law in doing so.
Sometimes, I think that's another exaggeration and another case of lumping our police force is with the US. 3 second Google result ... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-birmingham-46157987
I'm not denying the negative impact of colonialism on Africa, but to suggest that it was some kind of peaceful utopia before the colonial era is inaccurate. The Buganda, for example, subjugated many weaker groups and were known for their war canoes. The Songhai Empire was built on conquest. Sonni Ali, the leader who was responsible for much of their imperial expansion, was considered a formidable military strategist. Many African accounts describe him as an intolerant tyrant. Just like everywhere else on earth, different groups in Africa sought to establish dominance over others through warfare.
See, now we're getting somewhere. What is it that makes you think that it's not racist? Was it the IPCC's report last year that said the metropolitan police had failed to deal with allegations of racist misconduct? Or is that bit ok? Or the government themselves saying that there was evidence of continued racial inequality in policing last year? All of which amounts to a part of... systemic racism in the UK. so why not be annoyed more about that than someone pointing out the injustice?
Do you have the statistics proving that white police brutalise black people more than they brutalise white people? How many black police brutalise black people and how many brutalise white people. What is the crime rate per capita based on race? Can that be broken down by city, state etc? In a nutshell police shouldn't brutalise anyone but it happens. It happens for a number of reasons. Some cops. regardless of race are bullies, pure and simple. Some victims are arseholes who attack not only police but innocent people (take George Floyd for example, not exactly a model citizen) and as they say, karma's a bitch.
None of that makes the British police force a bastion of racism. As I've said you're exaggerating everything to try to prove a point. You're not proving a point, you're weakening it.
Black front bench spokesman David Lammy, on Andrew Marr, complaining that only 1% of police officers are black. Fair enough, that's a fact. What I don't understand is what he's inferring. Are black people systematically refused entry to the police force? It's a serious question, I've no idea. There are statistically a higher percentage of young black unemployed and the police are TV advertising for new recruits, an advert which uses black, Asian, white officers. So, unless the police are systematically binning applications, what's the problem.
You’re just making this up as you go along. Here’s evidence which suggests you’re talking nonsense https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-tyne-50688511 A police officer sacked for making racist slurs as she waited for a pizza will not return to her job, it has been announced. PC Katie Barratt, of Northumbria Police, was dismissed in June 2018 after making the comments about staff at Newcastle's Spice of Punjab. However, she won an appeal to be reinstated in March this year. The force has successfully overturned that decision following a judicial review. A colleague had reported the remarks after hearing them while on an off-duty night out.
This is what annoys people. When it becomes a general atmosphere of black good/white bad you'll get varying degrees of backlash including the likes of the idiotic skinheads yesterday. 'More young black people are stopped and searched' for example. You'd think, at first glance, that was unfair. But, when I go to big cities, the gangs I see are generally black. So I'd have to say I'd be quite pleased if they're being stopped and searched tbh.
This is incredible. You do realise that this tells both sides of the story yeah? It's great that Northumbria Police took decisive action against a racist. It's less great that the appeals panel decided that while she had been racist, the takeaway staff hadn't heard her and she shouldn't be sacked, just go on diversity training and be reinstated. And just because there's a lot of ****e been written here about me saying we're just as bad, I said it yesterday and I'll say it again, the US has a far bigger problem. That doesn't mean we have no problem. You're literally arguing with the IPCC and the government if you think we don't have issues with racism in the met, for example.
No, I’m not arguing with anybody. I’m debating with you your statement that if a white police officer commits a crime, they walk free. It was wrong, wasn’t it?
Of course there are issues with racism, that's the case in every society and every race. You could quite easily argue that the police officer, who readily reported her colleague, shows that the police force isn't totally and systematically racist. The head of NPs pro-standards further shows that may well be the case and encourages ethic minorities to apply for the force. So that's a colleague, a senior officer and the court all suggesting the system isn't necessarily a bastion of racism. Would you agree with that or is your position fixed? Det Supt Sav Patsalos, head of Northumbria Police's professional standards department, said: "The language used by PC Katie Barratt is wholly unacceptable. "This was recognised by a colleague who rightly came forward to report the comments, reflecting the culture within the force where people have the confidence to speak up and challenge unacceptable behaviour."
Yeah, I agree. I’ll also add that the ‘football lads’ who attended yesterday were clearly there for trouble and I’d guess an unhealthy amount of them would have also been racist. In London, over 85% of the knife crime involves a person who has black skin colour. If you look through the list of crimes in London for street robbery etc, then you see that the majority is committed by black criminal gangs. Then you also think of your own experiences (and mine) of what you have witnessed down there and you start to understand why the police are more likely to stop and search black folk. It’s an absolute disgrace that our police are even being spoken about in the same sentence as the Yank officers. They’re like chalk and cheese. Crime and poverty go hand in hand. These areas in London where the crimes are being committed are poverty stricken with a largely black community. We should be trying to tackle that issue because ultimately that’s the root cause.
I'll take it as Tucker Carlson wilfully misusing data. He's cherry picked the cases that fit his agenda. For example, I could easily say that Philando Castille was shot by a cop in Minnesota and was in possession of a deadly weapon. That makes it sound justified, right? Except it wasn't. It was a traffic stop, he was in the car with his partner and their baby daughter. He very carefully told the officer that he was in possession of the legally registered weapon and when the officer asked for his driving license, Castille was shot. The officer was acquitted. Eric Garner was killed by cops in remarkably similar circumstances to George Floyd, being choked to death on the ground while saying he could not breathe. The cop not only got away with this but was not even indicted. I've mentioned Breonna Taylor already, but she was a nurse who was shot in bed. The facts are there if you ever choose to stop watching Fox News. Alton Sterling was shot 3 times at point blank range while pinned to the floor. He was carrying a weapon on his person but was being restrained. The police officers involved were not charged. Tamir Rice, a 12yr old, was carrying an air soft replica and was shot within 2 seconds of a policeman shouting at him. The officers were not charged. Amber Guyger, an off duty police officer, walked into the apartment of a black man, Botham Jean, and shot him to death. She was only charged with manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years. The police did everything they could not to charge her with murder and it was only overwhelming public anger (both black and white) that made them cave. Even then, for a blatant murder, she was given just 10 years rather than life as is meted out to black and white criminals. I could go on. The facts are there. https://www.statista.com/chart/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/
