My point is that while it's showing solidarity to join a BLM march, while it's a hot topic, it doesn't take a great deal of effort. If it did I suspect the numbers would be significantly less. I take your point, but in all honesty you can't compare skipping around Bristol with a placard to desperate unemployed men walking the length of the country in hobnail boots. It's a hot topic, at the moment, but there seems to be an element of bandwagon jumping. I'm not accusing you of that but, while your post is long and worthy, I've not noticed you championing civil rights for black people previously.
Cannot really find anything patronising there I found that very funny too I have asked you 3 times about this comment "I've just reminded him that life in Africa was brutal before we arrived and is no better since we left." Where you suggest that 'we' ended or at least greatly reduced brutal acts and it has become a place of brutality since 'we' left
I didn't suggest anything of the sort, that's absolute nonsense ... ... you're just reading something and seeing what you choose to see.
"...life in Africa was brutal before we arrived and is no better since we left" So what did you mean by this?
It was brutal before we arrived, while we were there and is still brutal now ... .... I never once said the British ended or reduced brutality.
Not that it matters given I've been on here less than a year and rarely bother with anyone outside of the matchday or club related threads, but even then, I was bringing this up over a month ago, before the world caught fire. https://www.not606.com/threads/ahma...nd-your-ground-shooting.383675/#post-13793054 https://www.readytogo.net/smb/search/146923/?q=Racism&c[users]=KittenMittens&o=relevance But again, it's completely irrelevant. Good on those posters who want to speak up about something they perceive as wrong. Theres no obligation for them to do anything more than that. Coming to the conclusion that racism is bad and saying so would seem like a positive step.
It was brutal before we arrived? It also had many successful and peaceful nations such as the Kingdom of Baganda, The Songhai land of N central Africa, the Luba Nation, Kingdom of Zimbabwe and so on. The impact of colonisation on the nations of Africa was at best a cultural annihilation and in many cases something far, far worse At least it is a relief to know that you don't think we did good deeds of civilising these poor people which has been the educational narrative for anyone schooled pre 1970s and then this institutionally racist notion being perpetuated in the children of families of following generations. Changing the perspective of that narrative is crucial These days children learn about Mary Seacole and why slavery was abhorrent so there are increments of change for the good I will leave you with this Banksy picture which neatly summises the whole debate in my view please log in to view this image
That's all fair enough. I doubt many people, in this country, need to see people protesting to know racism is bad ... ... but there's no obligation for them to do anything other than live their lives without being racist. Marching around with a banner, or posting that racism is bad, doesn't make anyone better than anyone else. The idea that 'silence is violence' is idiotic imo.
"At least it is a relief to know that you don't think we did good deeds of civilising these poor people." And its good to know that you acknowledge your assumption, about what I said, was totally incorrect. What you've demonstrated is the perfect example of someone desperate to see racism where there obviously is none ... ... but instead of doing the decent thing and apologising you post more generalised attacks on huge swathes of people. You came on for an argument and lost, quite badly tbh.
Out of order. Chavy racist pricks. Have you been sharing tweets showing where BLM have vandalised buildings, damaged property, looted shops, injured police officers and horses and cowardly gang assaults on members of the public?
https://www.kmov.com/news/david-dor...cle_5eb01460-a7e3-11ea-b58e-d71455217e75.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/08/...-retired-police-officer-david-dorn/index.html Did this get much airtime in the UK? It didn't get much over here in Aus either. Wonder what the "what can we be offended about now" crowd have to say about this?
I didn't say any of those things. Raising awareness of systemic racism helps combat it, makes the government take action, institutions address the problems. The more people march, the harder it is to deny the existence of the problem and not put measures in place to stop them. As I said, the issues run deeper into society and the racism in our area is bad. Look at yesterday for a glimpse at the type of cretins still out there telling people they aren't racist while simultaneously taking any abstract opportunity to attack black people or their allies.
It did, but again you're missing the entire point. First off, black and white people in the US commit crimes. A lot of crimes. Those crimes are dealt with severely, the rights of suspects are trampled on wholesale, innocent people are sent to prison with alarming regularity and the criminal justice system often gives poor defendants from both black and white backgrounds no chance of meaningful defence. In many cases they are given a public defendant who sees the case for the first time 15mins before a trial. So the shooting of this man is a tragedy, but nobody is out there arguing it isn't. What we expect, however, is that if the suspects are found, they will either be killed while being arrested, or they will face the aforementioned biased justice system and likely face punishment to the severest extent possible. Now here's why people are protesting: because the police in America are committing crimes, and when they do, the police close ranks, the justice system gives them loopholes, and they get away with it. Yes, against both black and white people, but disproportionately against black people. In Minneapolis, the figure about police brutality against black people was 7x that of white people. Across the US as a whole, it's double what it 'should' be when compared with how white people are arrested and dealt with. The BLM movement should be something everyone is on board with, because the police here and there (and in Australia fwiw) have extraordinary power to avoid punishment for even the most egregious crimes. That then filters down to crimes committed against black people like Ahmaud Arbery and Trayvon Martin. I mean Breonna Taylor was shot in her ****ing bed by cops. She was a nurse and the main cop involved had a grudge against the man she was seeing. Guess where those cops are right now? Just guess. That's why people march and are angry. That's why those deaths need a march, because unlike David Dorn's killers, the people who shot Breonna Taylor have not been investigated and there is scant hope of justice ever being served.
I didn't say you did ... .... just as I'm not arguing about whether or not racism is bad, the government aren't very good or that right wing idiots are right wing idiots. Why I am saying is that most people, in the UK, don't need to come to the conclusion that racism is, they already know. I'm just becoming a little tired of being told we're 'systemically racist' tbh... ... it's the latest buzz phrase that people are using when I doubt they know what it actually means.
"So the shooting of this man is a tragedy, but nobody is out there arguing it isn't. What we expect, however, is that if the suspects are found, they will either be killed while being arrested, or they will face the aforementioned biased justice system and likely face punishment to the severest extent possible." Is there any reason that shouldn't be the case. If the victim was your wife would you be saying the same thing.
It sounds like you don't know when you talk about it like it's aimed directly at you. Systemic means that it exists in our power structures. It is not saying that you are racist, or I am racist personally, it is saying that the power systems in this country still have racists within them, that policies and ingrained racism have never been dealt with in certain parts of society that we take for granted (the police being a major one).
I know exactly what 'systemically racist means', thanks anyway. We're all part of the system in one way or another. BLM is saying I'm part of the problem if I'm not attacking the system which is nonsense.
Where have I said that they shouldn't be? I pointed out that while that will happen for them, it won't happen and doesn't happen to the police who commit crimes of the same nature.
There are only two types of people. You're either racist or you're not. Simple. You either treat people equally or you don't. If you do, then it is not aimed at you, but then the question is why you feel so affronted by the suggestion that the police and other bastions of racism are under attack for their underlying mistreatment of black people? Surely as an anti-racist yourself you fully support those efforts?
