For those wondering why somebody sprayed the word 'Racist' under Churchill's statue: “A lot has been made about the defacing of the Churchill statue, but little engagement with the message daubed upon it. Churchill was indeed a racist. A white supremacist, in fact, guilty of some truly despicable crimes. Theee things to quickly address. Firstly... no, it wasn’t just the attitude of the time. The human condition was not that different to today. Some people have compassion and empathy, others don’t. Some people are massively racist, others are not. It depends what we are taught. The Slavery Abolishment movement in Britain long predates Churchill, so let’s not pretend it was the commonly held attitude outside of the British elite. Secondly, Churchill didn’t win the war. We would have won with someone else in charge. To claim otherwise is an insult to the brave millions who fought and died. Thirdly, Churchill was not the original ‘anti-fascist’, far from it. In many ways there was little to separate Churchill and the fascist leaders. Churchill wasn’t fighting Nazism, he was defending British imperialism. Churchill was a staunch defender of his class who up until the war expressed admiration for fascist leaders, a tradition British Prime Ministers have upheld ever since. Speaking to Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini in Rome in 1927 he said, “Your movement has rendered a service to the pop whole world. If I had been an Italian I should have been wholeheartedly with you from start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial passions of Leninism.” Churchill also said; “I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations.” As for some of Churchill’s words and deeds which you could rightly describe as being a ‘wee bit fascist’... Churchill said of his time spent in Afghanistan; “all those who resist will be killed without quarter”, because the Pashtuns need “recognise the superiority of race”. Cuba, 1896: Churchill wrote he was concerned Cuba would turn into “another black republic”. By “another”, he was referring to Haiti, who were the first nation to abolish slavery in modern times (it wasn’t Britain, not even close). South Africa: Churchill was part of the government that orchestrated and maintained the concentration camps in which 48,000 men, women and children died as a result of starvation and disease during the Boer War. He also planted the seed to strip black people of their voting rights in June 1906. Ireland: He said “We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English.” He was secretary of state for war when Britain formed the paramilitary “Black and Tans” and the Auxiliaries in Ireland. This was to strengthen the role of the police against Republicans. The Tans and the Auxiliaries became a byword for brutality —for rape and murder. They rampaged across the country carrying out reprisals against insurrection. But Churchill described them as “honourable and gallant officers”. Churchill sent these thugs to terrorise Irish civilians/properties, and also coined the Croke Park massacre and ‘Bloody Sunday’. He ordered “machine-fire and bombs” to “scatter and stampede”. Saudi Arabia: He said in 1921 that Ibn Saud’s followers “hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children”. He wrote “admiration for Ibn Saud was deep, because of his unfailing loyalty” Iraq: In 1920 he ordered the RAF to use poison gas against Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq. He said, “I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes.” This was the first use of chemical weapons in Iraq. Palestine: Arabs in Palestine were a “lower manifestation”, and the “dog in a manger has the final right to the manger”, referring to Palenstinian Arabs. A statue of Churchill was subsequently erected in Jerusalem to honour his aid to the Zionist movement. India: Churchill claimed “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion”. Churchill seized millions of tons of inessential rice to send the Middle East. Over four million Bengals starved to death, and he said ‘famine’ was their own fault “for breeding like rabbits” Greece: in 1944, Churchill ordered the massacre of anti-Nazi protesters (the very people who ran the Nazi’s out of Greece). Churchill supported the new right-wing government and Nazi collaborators whom he opently sympathised with and helped into power. This is the man that our current PM idolises, who he wants to emulate. But remember, Alexander Boris De Pfiffle Jonson definitely isn’t a racist .......“
My question wasn't aimed at you, so fook off back to the Spurs board, before i kick your sorry arse out of here
Well sorry if I don't share your view that his statue should be graffiti'd but hey in realms of Cornwall, you can hide your kneck from the inner city, why spouting your bolloxs on the outside of it. Oh yeah you come from London....bore off.
Just the various guises of the same right wing fascists. The names change, but the ideology is the same. @remembercolinlee and I were both there on marches and demos in the late 80's and 90's. And we were both at the same demo in Welling against the BNP when the Police charged in and started cracking heads. So we have seen this from a 1st hand perspective. A lot of these groups try and dress themselves up as working class heroes and defenders of the British way of life, but underneath it all it's simply racism and discrimination.
Yep probably a mixture of that and to try and distance themselves from previous banned incarnations of similar fascist groups.
Forget that, the Hoover damn was built with the deaths of 96 of the builders. A handful are still encased in it now (presumably dead). They should tear that down. That'd be interesting to watch, take out a few habitats on the way I reckon.
I wasn't really saying that it should have been graffitied, just offering some background history as to why somebody would. It's always going to be controversial going after war memorials. So I understand why it creates such a hostile response.
The path is well trodden and always seems to follow the same route. They try and portray themselves as a legitimate political party, then due to the fact that they’re literally brimming with racists, parts of their group inevitably end up being exposed as having racist views, and it eventually becomes impossible for them to shake, and so they split and form new offerings, under a new ‘brand’ in the hope of distancing themselves from the previous one.
Fair enough mate, not sure what he said that triggered you. But I appreciate the apology all the same.
Me and PNP will never agree, so i'l go with Piskie. I love your own little outbursts sometimes, generally there is more of an explanation behind it than mine
so we could be smack dealers, because there's nowhere near as much money in oil or minerals, and Iran weren't making nuclear power stations. And he wonders why I can't take him seriously
Anyone who is genuinely interested in Colstons statue then this is very interesting. https://www.brh.org.uk/site/articles/myths-within-myths/
