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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Star of David Bardsley

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    Apparently it’s been a contentious local issue for years. Fairly remarkable enough tub-thumpers managed to keep it there in the first place. Being polite and protesting peacefully seems to be ineffective unfortunately.
     
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    No they weren’t, that’s just plain bollox
     
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  3. bobmid

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    Think we are on different subjects here mate
     
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    What sparked the riots then, you tell me?
     
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    I was under the impression it was in the process (be it a lengthy one) to get it removed
     
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    attacking police is no excuse though is it? Do you think that 3 blokes punching at a female policewoman is acceptable?
     
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    You said all the recent riots in history......that’s bollox
    J18 (which I took part in) wasn’t because of racial injustice...nor were the many May Day protests I went too.....therefore your statement is untrue....agreed ?
     
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    The Mayor said this morning (when questioned about the statue) he had more important things to worry about?
    He is the first black mayor in Europe and said "can you imagine if my first job was to pull it down? You would all be asking me different questions now"
     
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    They were more protests rather than extended riots weren't they?
     
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    Let’s not forget the anti CJB riot on Park Lane.......or the Reclaim the Streets riots (like Brixton)....
     
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    WE will have to disagree on that one.
     
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    Nope......absolute riots. Take it from someone who was there.
    But hey.....if it fits your narrative
     
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    There were numerous requests for Coulstons statue to be taken down, they were ignored, increasing frustration, making people feel they don't have a valued voice. I'm hearing a lot about people wanting Churchill's statue being removed, and to a degree I accept the criticism of Churchill and for me the flaws of Churchill should be acknowledged more and certainly taught in history lessons. I've actually had this discussion and been against it's removal, the main reason being that Churchill is seen as a national hero to a lot and people aren't ready to accept some of what was done, and any discussion about this at this stage will, like I said previously, only go to push the people who are more sympathetic to the cause further away, it's a terrible move at this time. I'm fully aware of Gandhi, who was an awful racist and how do I put this, had very questionable practices with young females. Let's just say a lot of historic figures are deeply flawed.

    What should be taken down? Yes it's subjective, and I don't have the answers, although Coulson was a no brainer. What I strive for is continuous progression, day on day. This requires more people taking that stance and going against Churchill right now is a naive move.
     
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    Brixton, Toxteth, Bristol, Tottenham and the ones in 2011? the list goes on, there may have been other riots but those were probably the worst in recent history and had were sparked by some unhappiness with the police and their actions.
     
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    That’s the thing though Wills, however much we agree on one subject of history, or disagree with another....it is ALWAYS gonna be subjective.

    Maybe the answer is to ban ALL statues and monuments.
     
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    But that’s not what you said....In fact, I’d like to hope you would admit, your first post was completely incorrect.
    I can repost it for you if you want ?
     
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    Ok I should've said most of the major riots....semantics
     
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    Not really semantics......just your post being incorrect
     
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    Anyway, off to bed for a few hours before tonight’s night shift.
    Night all
     
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    Time will tell as to whether it was worth it. I'm sure Floyd would have much preferred to be punched than killed. I have witnessed police brutality first hand. Theres always the chancers along for the ride, as in any and every protest. This isn't going away anytime soon
     
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