Exactly mate. So different from my day, cops, teachers and the like, could clout you and no one would give a shhite. And certainly on one ocassion with me and a teacher, he would have been up on an assult charge these days, but it was all part and parcel of life then and I'm white! If my actions resembled anything like some minority protestor scenes, I'd have expected to get my butt kicked. Back in the day once you was in the cells, it was their rules. These days it seems if a copper looks at you in the wrong way, it feel's as though it's reason to lodge a complaint. However, I'm not saying blacks weren't racially victimised, because they were - but what I am saying some of those minority shhites would have been handled a bit differently, that judical right hander you mention, wouldn't go amiss at times.
There was a documentary once, where a white guy and a black guy, experienced the same scenarios. The white guy was offered rental on a flat, the black guy was told they were all full, even though he went 1st. Similar situation at the job interview. The most damning part was where, they both walked from sarf London into town, the white guy minds his own, but the black guy was stopped twice by the police. I wish I could see it again, it was rather old.
I reckon the difference is nowadays the Police are mentally weak by nature...they don’t even have to resort to common sense. Back then...they had a bit more about them...you could connect with them. Nowadays as soon as you stand your ground they’ve got their hand on a Tazer or some pepper spray with backup in tow and no common sense between them.
Yup, I accept the scenarios you've highlighted occured and are not acceptable. However, there were times in my youth, I was stopped by cops, not that i'd done anything wrong, they were just checking what I was 'up to.' Even would just start searching my vehicle, for no reason. It was just an accepted face of policing on my part. I even use to have them come knocking on my door, sometimes even wondering what my bro's were up to. Conversation would go, where is so and so, I'd say I don't know, the response would be, well that's not very helpful blah blah blah. All I'm saying is it happened to me, ocassions when the police would stop me or call at my home, for no real justified reason, than they could. So though I accept your scenario, it didn't just happen to blacks, however, I do accept it may have happened to blacks on a more regular basis, I think we just have to be careful, not to suggest it just happened to blacks, because it didn't.
I agree. I hate all this tazer and pepper spray bolloxs. Seriously if a copper used that stuff on me just once, that would have finished any friendly relationship with the old bill I had. Ie ok, fair cop guv. You are right, from that perspective, it's certainly been eroded due to the introduction of those self defence materials, that get used for more than self defence!
Had many run in with popo, and never been manhandled in an unfair way. Mainly cos I don't ask for it. There's **** House ones about though I got one slap off one as a kid but none as an adult.
My home was raided about 10 years ago and all the police found were 2 grams of weed and a carbon filter and some fans upstairs in their boxes, in the cupboard. They were gutted. I was stood next to my Mrs and the bairn when the copper asked what the fans and filter were for, I just said they’re perfectly legal items and I wouldn’t explain any further. At that point, he told me if I didn’t tell the ‘truth’ my Mrs would be arrested and he then pointed at our daughter and said the kid goes into care. I then told him I’d put my hands up to cultivating. I literally admitted to a crime that I’d not committed to make their warrant worthwhile and to save my Mrs and kid.
Everyone should have a Tazer tbh. Could have some fun with that. A girl I used to work with showed me a video on her phone once, of her Tazering her mate. Was ****ing funny tbf.
Only you’ve not provided any quotes that counter anything I’ve posted - not one. So I’ve not dismissed anything. You claimed that (and I quote)”I’ve never seen anything about Lee being extremely cruel to anyone” which means that your knowledge on him was limited, as I’ve provided you with plenty of information that shows he patently was. We weren’t discussing the New Orleans statue, which I think by spooky coincidence is the oldest and you’ve cherry picked to try and back up your argument, whilst completely ignoring the timeline graph of when these monuments were erected and more importantly why. Your initial comment referenced the one in Richmond Virginia which was erected in 1924. The only reason I have some decent knowledge on this issue, is because I didn’t quite understand why the statues were so abhorred by those protesting about the white supremacist / Neo Nazi rallies a couple of years back. So I bothered myself to research it and understand why. It’s far from a coincidence that the vast majority of these commemorations were erected during periods of racial tension i.e. the introduction of the American version of apartheid in the South, and then later at the start of the Black civil rights movement.
We laugh and shake our heads in dismay at how justice was handed out 100 years ago or so. 100 years or so down the line people will laugh and shake their heads in dismay at so called justice and Law nowadays.
I always remember visiting Williamsburg, Virginia many years ago, the historic part, I couldn't work it out at the time, what it was about the place. I've never experienced it with anywhere else but it just gave me an eerie feeling. Not a place I wanted to go back to, with the exception of the modern day part that is Busch Gardens Williamsburg. Maybe reading the convo between Tobes and Fosse, makes me realise why the place gave me an eerie feeling, funny how our emotions and senses work, when something don't feel right. Amazing to think we hold on to history, that had a cruel past. Not that you can even really call areas in America as historic, maybe that's what makes it more damning, all but a 100 years or so.
Nope I initially commented that I was against vandalism of monuments and statues ... not changed my mind. The South of the US is, in my opinion, entitled to venerate those that they saw as heroes of their 'revolution'. I've no need to put up quotes of Northern adversaries commending Lee - but start with Wikipedia if you are interested. Lee was actually opposed to monuments of prominent confederates after the war as he felt that would inhibit the healing process for the nation. PS I have no problem with you having your opinion... but am not obliged to agree with it. I found Lee a complex character full of contradictions ... you on the other are not ... if somebody has a different opinion to yours, true to form, you throw a hissy fit. Finally, sorry if my mentioning the earliest monument to Lee caused you discomfort by disproving your earlier assertion that monuments to Lee only appeared in the 20th century ... churlish of me, I know.
Apparantly all kicking off here (Bristol) with the protests. Torn down a statue in the city centre of Edward Colston (lot of stuff in the city named after him, was a prominent slave trader or something and that’s how he made his money)
