i think you're missing the point. Surely, TYO are just 'leading' the chanting and hoping that as they do, everyone will join in and the sound will spread around the ground. They're not supposed to be the only ones singing. Having said that, the people at the back of the Rookery made just as much noise...hmm, maybe they should join forces!
Actually there were 60 of us and more spread over the rookery. Then when you pay for their tickets you/the stewards can tell them to sit down and shut up! They have put more into the club than a lot of people i know and have done more for the atmosphere than almost anyone.
How can you say that? Miller is to blame for some idiot throwing a bottle at him? I've worked as a steward (even though it was for Lewes FC), and trust me it's not a fun job. Having to tell a crowd of pissed-up idiots to sit down when they outnumber you 50-1 isn't fun. Also, they're only following the rules that the club set out, they're not choosing to do it to wind you up, it's their job ffs! Have a sing if you want, just don't defend twats that throw bottles at people
I am not defending that one person. I a defending the rest of the group. Miller was to blame as he knew exactly what he was doing when he came up to the front of the home fans to celebrate, he knew he would wind us up. I know stewarding is not a fun job, but if they used common sense they would get a lot less abuse. Even bassini's 'bodyguard' was questioning the treatment of us. The club has allowed TYO to stand and take flags into the ground and that takes precedent over a muppet who gets ideas above his station. Why were there 100 odd Forest fans standing yet the 60-70 home fans who had communicated with the club and been permitted were being told to sit????
You've contradicted yourself twice there. How does Miller's behaviour on the pitch give someone an excuse for throwing a bottle at him? I'm not talking about the rest of the group here, you're justifying that idiot's actions by saying: "Miller wound us up a bit". Not cool Also when you say the stewards 'need to use common sense' but then go on to blame the club that you have been in contact with, how is it the stewards' fault? They're only doing what's been asked of them by the club, they don't make up their rules as they go along.
Miller can over to the group of fans and not only did he celebrate at the corner flag, he then decided to come even closer and celebrate again. This is bound to wind up the home fans and the 59 members of TYO gave him plenty of verbal, as did a lot of others in the rookery. There is nothing wrong with this, but i am agreeing that the man throwing the bottle was out of order. However he was one person when 59 others stuck to verbal. I am saying why cant the stewards shut up and back off until someone does something to actually break the rules. The club have allowed TYO to be there and to stand, but as usual the stewards get given their twat jackets and suddenly they are gods and police!! There have been times (Millwall last year, QPR last year) where they have not done their jobs and damage has been caused and people have been hurt. The group were not blocking others view's nor were they using foul language, so why step in? Only step in when the rules are actually broken or people in danger.
Because as I said they must have been told to, how is it their fault? It's their job, their boss has told them to do so, you don't improvise when you're a steward. If you've got a problem then get in touch with the club, because they'll be the ones that give the orders/rules/guidelines...
It is their fault because they have discriminated against the home supporters, in particular TYO. I pointed out to a 'Supervisor' that there were 100+ Forrest fans standing, yet nothing was done about them, and they were blocking others views as they were in the middle of the VR end. The club have given backing to the group so i cant see why they would tell the group then to sit down and prevent them doing what they are attempting. http://www.watfordfc.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10400~2457469,00.html. This article seems to say the club back the group, are the stewards not included in this??
This is what I've been trying to explain to you. The stewards will be told what to do by someone employed by the club. If that person doesn't know about the Yellow Order, then it's the club's fault. The stewards telling you to sit down are only following orders given to them.
Then why did they not tell the Forest fans to sit!?!?!?! They were standing ALL game, where as TYO had to sit down!!! The stewards knew about the move and about the aims and beliefs of the group. I find it very odd that they would not be told about it.
They wouldn't do anything they hadn't been told to do, I wasn't in charge there so I don't know why they didn't tell the Forest fans to sit down. Are you trying to imply that the stewards there decided to only stop the YO without being told to by someone at the club? Maverick stewarding?
I am not implying anything, i am stating that the stewards discriminated against TYO by telling them to sit (a small group of 60 HOME supporters NOT blocking peoples view) but then did not tell a group of 100+ Forest fans to sit!! If the rules apply to the home fans then surely they must be applied to the away fans too. The standard of stewarding is generally appalling at Vicarage road!
Must admit Toby at the qpr game when we all knew there could be problems! at the lower corner of the VR end the stewards did nothing to assist the clubs family area being invaded by rangers fans , indeed it looked like they just ignored the situation ! If they had acted sooner the police may not have been required and we wouldnt have had police horses on the hallowed (knackered) turf! Going back to the yellow order Dan is making a valid point ,it is unfair enforcing rules and laws on one group of fans and not another! or maybe the Forest lot looked a bit harder so they ignored them and went for the soft option! it does smack of unfairness and a little cowardice!
This all seems very naive. Vicarage Road is an all seater stadium. The seats aren't there for when your legs get a little tired or when its half-time. They are there to satisfy H&S law (whether that is justified or not). If Watford FC are encouraging a fans group, they MUST ensure they follow H&S law, ie stay seated as much as possible. The home fans can be assumed to be at the stadium for a fairly significant period of time per season, as opposed to the odd 2 hours an away supporter would be in the stand. To tell someobw who is going to be in the stand for 2 hours a year to sit down would be an impossible task and the cost would far out weigh the risk (this is where there is obvious leniency in the rules). To tell home fans, who populate the stadium in some cases 3 times a week, is much more efficient. They aren't discriminating or trying to stop you have fun, they are following orders put in place to a) stop a disaster, and b) prevent the stadium from being closed due to breaching H&S law.
All I'm saying is that they're following orders, if the person giving the orders is wrong then it's the club's fault and they need to sort it out. I can't see why there's any point in continuing this?
BBW I think Dans point is why did the stewards just target TYO and not the forest fans , who were just as likely to injure themselves and sue us if they did!
