Coronavirus

Tokyo Joe

 

they were only issued on the 14th as for the other article it wants me to register to see it so not sure what it says but from the title it is about the spread inside hospitals but as someone who has had HAI's on a number of occasions that hardly surprises me . Takes me back to our convos in early march about doing our best to stay away from hospitals for precisely that reason .

 

Ah right, the article was published on the 14th, so I assumed the guidance was before the date of publication or at least internal communications with medical professionals, would have occured before publication. So basically the whole scenario changed in the space of 24 hours, not unusual. But I have had 3 letters from the hospital since that consulation on the 12th, not a single one mentioned isolation or having a test. Maybe they will mention it to me when I visit during the course of this week as per the instructions in one of those letters. Which then beggers the question at what point do I become infected, before or after visiting the hospital That's said tongue in cheek btw.

 

well if you click the link to the Guidance PDF in the address bar it shows
20200514 Operating framework for urgent and planned services within hospitals FINAL - Read-Only
so am assuming this was the first general release though drafts may have been floating around .

Edit : my suggestion is don't breathe while at the hospital then i'm fairly sure you won't catch Covid 19.

 

My wife works in paediatrics and there's only been a small number of kids tested positive for Covid19 and an even smaller number actually notably unwell from it. They did have a toddler a couple of weeks ago though who was in for something else (essentially they were baby-sitting as his mother was giving birth in the hospital and there was nowhere else he had to go, though officially he had some condition) and just before being released home was tested, just in case, and it came back positive even though the kid seemed absolutely fine. They then all look at each other and realised that this toddler has been pretty much everywhere on the ward and been picked-up and held by half the people around.

It's a minor miracle that the death rate of NHS staff is only marginally above that of the general populace and really shows that PPE does make a difference it seems.

 

Ah fair enough, good explanation that hadn't occured to me. At least that clears up, what was my confusion.

As for the breathing bants, I will not deny I am concerned, I suppose that's after weeks of protecting oneself, then having to enter the lions den of a hospital. I can't say it sits comfortably with me. I'm probably just over worrying.

 

Light at the end of the tunnel? Moderna are announcing that they have a 100% effective vaccine. Lot's of testing still to be done, could still be the end of the year until all are vaccinated, but wow, just ****ing wow. Let's all hope this is not a false dawn.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/07/fda-approves-moderna-vaccine-candidate-for-phase-2-study.html

 

@Tobes I think I sent Stan a message about putting all my shares in Moderna in the stock market game. Can you retrospectively act on them?

 

I hope him and the family are well, and he's just got bored with us lot or better things to be doing.

 

Amen to that. Hope his Labrador is well too.

 

that moment when the test result came through must have been "interesting" .
Some good news though the Australian study of school transmission suggests the risk will be much less than if it had been an adult though no one seems to understand why children seem to transmit the virus much less than adults .
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-and-coronavirus-as-australian-schools-reopen

 

A cycnic would argue that it's an easy way to make money at the moment.

Buy stock

"oh look we have a vaccine"

Sell stock

"sorry it doesn't work"







Let's hope it is correct. The immunisation process is going to be a long one though, especially the nature of the virus.I think it's correct to say it seems to kill people due to their own immune system over-reacting to the threat so you wouldn't want to actually stimulate the proper immune systems response to it. Not 100% on that though. I'm sure they know what they're doing

 

think they have now got some good systems in place to isolate covid patients though tbh it all depends on your local hospital imo

 

Yeah it certainly seems to be the case. Be interesting to try and pitch a proper study "if we could just infect a few children and a few adults and get them to interact with others without the virus", think we'd learn a lot but can't see it being approved for some reason.


Or maybe it has been approved and we are unwitting guinea pigs!?!?!?! Nah i'm not in the tinfoil hat brigade.

 

This is true, but J & J have said their vaccine, when it's up-and-running, will be free anyway, so it won't be the total goldmine people say.

 

i keep thinking like that for the anti body tests . Imagine the volunteers when the small print is pointed out .

The participant willingly agrees to being injected with Covid 19 if they are selected for pool A of the trial .

 

As I understand it, it doesn't. It attaches a protein to the virus so that it can't gain access to the cell in the first place. It's that attacking of infecting cells that causes the over-response by the immune system - this family of vaccines tries to stop them getting infected in the first place.

 

They wanted to test out the possible "vaccines" in some of the local hospitals for children who has "symptoms" of Covid19, even before the tests had come back. Thing is, as it seems the virus doesn't affect them much then giving these drugs at the moment to children - some of the drugs proposed are known to have not very nice side effects - is borderline unethical. It is a quandary and the reason why most kids medicines don't get trialled.