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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. Lemons and Oranges

    Lemons and Oranges Well-Known Member

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    I think that this is one very good thing to have come out of the entire Coronavirus situation - Parliament is no longer full of 'Yah Boo' characters, and everything anyone says is clearly heard, and understood. Suddenly, the lies that politicians are used to spouting, knowing that they would be backed up by lots of 'Hear Hear' noises, are stripped back to being, well, lies, with no-one to agree loudly. I do hope that this virtual parliament lasts for several more months, nay, years
     
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  2. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Less than ten people turned up for the 'mass gathering' at the common <laugh>
     
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  3. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    were pompey playing?
     
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  4. Farked19

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    There appears to be a certain amount of jiggery pokery with the figures too. Yesterday the government claimed that one person in four hundred was infected. Dividing the population by the number of CONFIRMED cases gives a figure of 1 in 279.
     
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  5. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

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    This is a scary discovery. New York mayor talking about 73 cases of Kawasaki disease.
    The video I first tried to stick, but couldn’t, is a later video in which the figure is 103 cases and of them, 90% either tested positive for covid-19 or had covid-19 antibodies.

    Perhaps our government needs to look at this before forcing schools to re-open.

     
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  6. Schad

    Schad Well-Known Member

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    One week. The difference between 60k deaths and 185k deaths over five months was a single week of inaction.
     
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  7. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    This, believe it or not, is from the Telegraph:


    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard who is International Business Editor of The Daily Telegraph

    "I have been silent on Covid-19 for a while. There was little to be gained from harrying the Government once it had abandoned the misadventure of herd immunity and was at least trying to get a grip. Much of the belated media onslaught is reflexive gotcha-journalism (where were they in February when the mistakes were made?), or hides an ideological agenda.

    But claims by both Downing Street and Public Health England that they “got it right” cannot be allowed to stand. Nor can the pretence that each stage of the containment policy is being fed out at just right time and at just the right calibration under the Jupiterian guidance of behavioural theorists.

    There was never anything to be gained from delaying the lockdown once the brushfire had slipped control due to lack of testing/tracing. Each three days of prevarication meant a doubling of the infection case load. It was to sink deeper into the quagmire. Nor did the SAGE committee ever have a sufficient grasp of the basic facts to fine-tune the timing, let alone to play God.

    The facts will out but it is hard to escape the conclusion that this secretive body – neither institutional fish nor fowl, with opaque responsibilities – gravely misjudged the speed of contagion long after the danger was obvious to virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists across the world, and indeed to anybody paying attention.

    Why does it make sense to impose a two-week quarantine on foreign arrivals at this late stage (excluding Ireland and France), rather than having done so when imported cases were first causing an explosion of infections in a virgin host community?

    A Covid cardiologist at a top London hospital – friendly to Boris – has been so incensed by the daily charade of bogus omniscience that he vented his spleen in an email to me on Sunday night. It is a poignant indictment, so I pass along a few snippets.

    Basically, every mistake that could have been made, was made. He likened the care home policy to the Siege of Caffa in 1346, that grim chapter of the Black Death when a *****l army catapulted plague-ridden bodies over the walls.

    “Our policy was to let the virus rip and then ‘cocoon the elderly’,” he wrote. “You don’t know whether to laugh or cry when you contrast that with what we actually did. We discharged known, suspected, and unknown cases into care homes which were unprepared, with no formal warning that the patients were infected, no testing available, and no PPE to prevent transmission. We actively seeded this into the very population that was most vulnerable.

    “We let these people die without palliation. The official policy was not to visit care homes – and they didn’t (and still don’t). So, after infecting them with a disease that causes an unpleasant ending, we denied our elders access to a doctor – denied GP visits – and denied admission to hospital. Simple things like fluids, withheld. Effective palliation like syringe drivers, withheld.”

    The public has yet to realise that the great quest for ventilators was worse than a red herring. The overuse of ventilators was itself killing people at a terrifying ratio and behind that lies another institutional failure.

    “When the inquiry comes, it will show that many people died for lack of oxygen supply in hospitals, and this led to early intubation,” writes the doctor. “Boris survived because they gave him oxygen. High flow oxygen wasn’t available as a treatment option for all patients.”"
     
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  8. San Tejón

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    My “like” is because it is good that journalists who traditionally turn a blind eye to government errors, because of political affiliation, are more frequently speaking out.
    When this is over, there needs to be an independent, forensic inquiry, with the results being released simultaneously over all of the mainstream media, written and spoken, with no cuts or additions to give it spin.
    Simultaneous broadcasts would hopefully catch the channel hoppers who would otherwise choose to ignore this sort of thing and bury their heads in the sand, rather than believe that the people they support have fecked up.
    I don’t know how politics and the law work, but if there is any justice, some of the most senior politicians responsible for the errors will be charged with criminal negligence, especially with regards to the care home deaths and the lack of specialist palliative care.
     
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  9. San Tejón

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    As a follow up to the video, an extremely sad story of an 8 month old baby boy, dying from Kawasaki disease. It isn’t clear if, in this case, the baby was covid-19 positive, or if he was just one of the unfortunate few children that contract Kawasaki disease.
    The government seems to think that the covid-19 has little impact on children yet the increase in Kawasaki disease around the world is there to be seen. The disease is normally associated with children up to the age of 5, but the reports are indicating that as a result of covid-19 the disease is affecting children up to the age of 14 years.
    With this in mind I strongly believe that schools shouldn’t be rushed into re-opening too soon.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/baby-dies-coronavirus-related-kawasaki-22039416
     
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  10. StJabbo1

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    The inquiry should be televised, free to air, with the power of subpoena, no exceptions. When you've got them by the balls tighten the vice.
     
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  11. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    As far as I can see the most serious charge that a sitting MP, especially a government minister, and particularly a Prime Minister, can face is being proved of lying in the House of Commons chamber. There will be hardly any of this government who will escape justice when it happens. Their careers will be over, and they should be made to work for the rest of their lives tending the graves of those they have killed with their blundering and ineptitude.
     
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  12. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    With Baroness Hale presiding please:
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  13. StJabbo1

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  14. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    Phew! I'm glad I came to this thread as the politics thread was a bit quiet :bandit:
     
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  15. StJabbo1

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    Fee-fi-fo-fum I smell the blood of a spaffing bum.
     
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  16. Schrodinger's Cat

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    I've pondered on it for a while and finally worked it out, the coronavirus was created by whoever owns zoom
     
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  17. StJabbo1

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    Could be onto something there Rorsch but are you sure it wasn't propagated by Jeremy Corbyn in his allotment shed?
     
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    Gove on Marr this AM guaranteeing that teachers won't catch the virus when schools reopen. Hostage to fortune barely covers it.
     
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  19. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Did he say that? BBC are reporting that he said that he "could not guarantee".
     
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  20. San Tejón

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    Well, the teachers at the following schools will be well protected.

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