Coronavirus

Although couldn't 'guidance' and the other word 'science' be described as words of cop out.

It was guidance you did't go to the beach...if you did so, you ran the risk of being fined by the police £60 - surely that makes it a rule then?

If you visit your relatives and sit in their front garden, it is guidance not to do that, if you do, you run the risk of being fined £60-£100.

The science says, when things go wrong, we can't be to blame, we just blame the science.

Look on the government website, you will see... https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus
Guidance and support

Even if you look at the can and can't do's, look at the very first word, top of the page, straight after cabinet office... https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...avirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

 

This is nothing more than apologist crap, sorry.

 

I was only talking about the terms being used within the NHS, not the general use or government use of the word. Within the NHS it can either be made a national standard which means everyone has to follow it, or issued as guidance which allows trusts and doctors on a local level to see if it applies to their circumstances and gives them flexibility to apply it in different ways.

 

Morning mate, ain't seen you in any other threads for days, take a break from this **** bru

 

Nope it’s literally the difference in the two terms within the NHS.

 

So what you are saying then, is it dissolves government of all responsibility. We'll just blame the local medical practitioners.

 

It’s semantics, and nothing more than denial of reality. The guidance from the DoH on care homes issued on the 2nd April was clear. To suggest that the blame for actually following it, somehow lies at local level is utterly disingenuous.

 

The guidance would be issued normally by NHS England anyway who are a separate body from the Government. It’s not really an issue of whether to blame the government but about whether NHS England issued good guidance. Either way it doesn’t absolve NHS England of the responsibility, it’s a shared responsibility with NHS England and those making local decisions. That’s the system we currently have in place.

Edit: and just to be clear I’m not looking for anyone to blame. If I had to point out responsibility for anything in this pandemic I’d suggest we have to share responsibility amongst many different people, organisations and governments rather than narrowly blaming just one.

 

my reply wasn't quite so blunt but yep .

 

It isn’t semantics if the two things have different meanings, which they do.

I’m not putting the blame on anyone, I’ll leave that to you lot who are clearly experts in the field.

 

I’m sorry you feel that way.

Good morning to you.

 

I hear what you are saying, but the NHS would have worked and made decisions, based on what they had. Not what came about way too late. It's like saying we are going to build a Nightingale Hospital, but medical guidance before that would have been we have x+y so we use z model. However, the government then threw up the Nightingale in days...medical guidance response could have been, you're too fooking late now, it ain't going to make an ounce of difference........and it didn't - well accept for leaving us with thousands of nicely looking made beds

 

I blame NHS Scotland for the soaring care home death rate.


Mon the Tories

 

The nightingales were built with the expectation that case numbers would be higher, quite quickly it seemed that wouldn’t be the case but the plan continued to the end anyway to make sure we were prepared if the numbers did spike. Overall I’d say it was a good idea to do it but thankfully it wasn’t needed.

 

On the nightingales, they may also be used as part of the next phase of treating people of other illness whilst coronavirus is still an issue so could actually still be quite useful.

 

Can those in Newcastle, just not stop man hugging each other, to get the R down

 

I think you need to read back to my post from yesterday, which explained why the Nightingales were not required.

 

@afcftw

 

See my post above - they may well still be used but for the next phase of returning services to normal whilst still dealing with the coronavirus outbreak.

 

Yeah I can see why you’d think that about the elderly, but the nightingales specifically may yet still prove a useful thing to have over the next couple of months.