Coronavirus

Not saying you were wrong or right about the virus, I actually don't think you'd said anything or given any opinion even, just ripped the piss out of me for giving one.

More the fact it's reminded me how folk were commenting at the time that it was just acceptable to trash the elderly for the sake of others because that was just the way things were in hospitals and we should just accept it. You know that might actually be the case, it might be regular practise in the health service - fck knows - but if it is, it's hardly surprising that it's only a small step towards a mentality where the elderly can be considered acceptable collateral damage in a coronavirus pandemic by the powers that be.

 

I never know what mood my brain is going to be in mate. I was probably just ripping the piss or an excuse to ban someone

 

I know mate that's why I didn't take the bait

 

Sensible

 

I met Margaret Thatcher once. I have never been a fan of her politics, then or now, but that woman radiated charisma. She was electric in fact.

 

At a urinal?

 

Do you still call Wales "Brythoniaid" in your house? Cos, the Saxons named it Wales

 

not really random is it Munse?

reckon 100% of the nation is sick of it

lol dikhed

 

Latest news is that the infection rate in the UK has now gone up to the point where the R factor is now close to the point where the virus will "spread rapidly" ... but stay alert and we'll soon be through this

 

Guidance may well have been put out by NHS England to help the overall effort to deal with coronavirus. That doesn’t absolve doctors of their responsibility to their patients.

 

The guidance was around freeing up beds to deal with the overall expected spike in Covid cases. There was no national standard set which would force doctors and trusts to follow certain rules, unless you can show me these?

At the early stages the predictions had a huge range from best to worst case. Best case we could have dealt with it without any additional capacity. Worst case the entire system would collapse. The guidance issued didn’t directly relate to care home residents, again unless you can show me this guidance? But to the overall need to free up capacity.

So I reiterate, the responsibility to make decisions about discharging patients is a clinical decision and lay with the doctors and individual trusts, not with NHS England or the government.

 

I mean generally it is the case. Decisions on treatments and the cost of treatments are made on a formula that takes into consideration the number of years of quality life that can be gained from the treatment so naturally the older you get and less effective treatments are the less years of quality life you can get from treatments and so the less likely you are to get the same treatment a younger person would get. The entire health system is built on that decision making mechanism. So it’s no surprise that in a crisis the same types of decision making would be made.

 

... but we can all agree that our Government's initial response and subsequent handling has been the worst of any country in Europe, yeah? ... after all, the stats on infection rates and deaths and, particularly, the devastation in care homes don't lie ...

 

Until after this has finished and all considerations are made you couldn’t possibly make that call with any certainty, so no.

That doesn’t mean with the full set of facts we won’t be, but at present that isn’t a conclusion that could be drawn.

Again, because I know people love to jump on any comment which doesn’t **** on the government, I’m not asserting that the government are doing a good job or making a comparison with other nations, I’m saying we don’t have good enough information yet to make a valid decision on it.

P.s. that had no relevance to the point I was making

 

Some of my favourite chocolate fudge cake tonight


Mmmmm

 

I’m eating cold Pizza Hut from last night - got some cookies with melted chocolate inside that I can stick in the microwave to make them gooey inside for dessert.

 

Silly ****

 

... well that's OK then ... just a shame that such impersonal factors, combined with an incompetence multiple overlay, were not applied to the case of one Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson in terms of best allocation of critical care medical facilities and NHS staff ... stay alert

 

I love a bit of cold pizza.