Off Topic SARS-CoV-2 Covid-19

People talk about locking down too late. I’d argue the conditions of the lockdown are more causal as it has not been a true lockdown and people continue to ignore advice and go out. Teens still hanging out with each other, neighbours going to each other’s houses for a drink, the farces we’ve seen outside of B&Q and Tesco St Stephens, gatherings for NHS claps bear hospitals and on bridges, etc.

 

True!

 

need pictures.

 

Pulling a defenders performance in a football match is slightly different to a Inquiry Into a global pandemic. As I said an inquiry should and will happen. But it should only happen once it's over and the facts to have a proper unbiased Inquiry are there. Not during when it's mostly based on opinions and political point scoring

 

I get you. I've been missing it for five years now

 

Maybe we are not all playing by the same rules, not measuring the same things with the same tools, is it all fake? what is the truth and what are lies? There's certainly more questions than answers.

 

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Having worked on two government advisory groups in the past - a Specialist Advisory Group dealing with cancer screening services and the government's NHS I.T. Messaging Group. Also, having previously been personally invited by the Government Chief Medical Officer (Liam Donaldson at the time) to review the quality of screening services in the two Government Offices of the North East and Yorkshire in the light of serious failures in the South East Thames Regional Health Authority - I do feel that I really can't sit back and read so much ill informed tosh without the merest touch of an intervention .
I'm afraid that the failures of this government and its predecessors has had a lot to do with the lamentable effort to reduce the death toll resulting from Covid-19. There was certainly disastrous indecision during February and changes of approach (particularly the early abandonment of disease tracing and associated community testing).
The mantra that decisions are being lead by the science is clearly not entirely true and evidence of this can be seen in the recent comments of members of SAGE - the point being that governments may listen to the scientific advice from such groups but they don't necessarily choose to follow all of it. I could just about write a book on their mishandling and manipulation of the facts that have been presented but it does seem clear to me that, for some time, they have recognised that we are in a mess, and to dodge future criticism, they do seem to be leaning towards using to SAGE as a scapegoat.
Just one point about the death rates - Neil Ferguson's modelling (notoriously wide of the mark with foot and mouth predictions and the predicted future outcomes of CJD) came up with an initial very high figure of up to 500,000 U.K deaths from Covid-19. On one hand this alarmed the government and made them change their policy from reliance upon herd immunity towards a fatally delayed, but otherwise sensible, lockdown option. However, on the other hand it pleased them because it was so high and they could claim successful response if the death rate fell below this apparently exaggerated figure. Within a day of lockdown Ferguson revised his figures down to a predicted 9,000 deaths. This worried ministers because it did seem very low and would present a much more difficult challenge - so, to protect themselves, they suggested that a reduction to 20,000 deaths would represent success - having passed that figure comfortably and now on the way to 40,000 deaths it is clear that they are coming in for some deserved criticism.
No doubt they will adopt a "not me guv" position when there eventually is an independent enquiry with a defence based on "it was a big boy scientist that made me do it."

 

Did someone say bear hospitals?

 

The first game your back, I'm buying you a beer !

 

I don’t think that’s at all true.

I have various people on social media who are left wing extremists, sharing their ****e all the time. I recall a lot of posts being shared from their favourite propaganda pages up to mid March decrying the hysteria about covid, potential lockdown, comparing the disease to the flu. I do not recall the opposition saying we need to close everything down right now. I also do not ever recall the opposition pledging to build a large scale diagnostics industry or stockpile enormous surplus piles PPE in any of their manifesto’s.

Not that I’m attempting to defend the government but I do think the majority of the criticism they’re getting is just moaning for moanings sake, like all things political.

Hence why I have no interest in it and hope all who do die as soon as they want, as long as they leave the country for the majority who just want good politics.

 

You a gambling pussy, or a bemused cat ?

 

oh my Facebook was the same, from both sides. Everything from “it’s 5G” and “Bill Gates wants you immunised so he can control your brain” to “it’s not even real, it’s a hoax to stop Trump winning”.

It’s funny, a lot of the people on my Facebook that said it was just flu were more right wing inclined, while the problem with the far left was they were demanding scientific things that simply weren’t viable at the time, then criticising the government for not coming forward with said make believe stuff.

In his defence, the leader of the opposition did criticise them for soft measures in early March (though as you say he would have been points scoring as he was going for the leader of the party at the time he said it).

 

Interesting, I wonder if that’s contributed to the increase in younger people being diagnosed.

 

I promise what I said wasn’t based on this, but there’s an article in The Times today (subscription required- if you use TES you can get it) about our approach being criticised by other nations.

 

Some interesting points and debates on here during the day, many that I disagree with, but enjoy reading the point of view.

As an aside, I'm not sure why a participant on a football forum isn't allowed a current opinion and has to wait until 2023 for a comprehensive review. Being an island should have made the UK almost impenetrable to this type of pandemic, as was in New Zealand and Taiwan, so it is right that answers are demanded. My worry is that the UK is too weak and swayed by foreign forces - China and the US first, which delayed border closure and then France/the EU which changed the direction of the social distancing and hand washing regime seen now in sweden.

 

Yes but unlike most other major nations in Europe we are an island. Surely that should have reduced the spread to some degree (at least it would have done if people arriving in this country were tested or quarantined or traced - as per many other countries). We may be the most densely populated major country in Europe - but other more densely populated countries such as Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Israel, India and Bangladesh seem to have handled it better. You may not regard it as a major nation but I believe Netherlands is more densely populated than UK - and they seem to have fared much better. Whilst we may be one of the wealthiest nations in Europe (and hence the number of people infected on skiing holidays) - but have we really had more people visiting ski resorts than (say) Germany, France, Italy or Austria? In any case it seems strange that our apparent comparative wealth should have such an adverse effect on our ability to handle the virus when I seem to hear that poverty is one of the major factors affecting the number of Corona virus deaths.

 

Not that Im taking any sides on all of this (I dont give a **** who has or has not done enough or too much with regards to this fricking virus , I just want us to try and pull through it all as best as we can with what we have available each day , the time for reviews are way into the future when all accurate data is available ... any sniping or constant criticism IMO is just detracting people from doing what they need to do to work together to try and get through all of this, for every hour spent defending decisions months ago is an hour not working on the here and now and trying to balance this whole GLABAL pandemic as best as we can)

But back to why I posted , is it this link ?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...r-covid-19-response/ar-BB13H3Rc?ocid=msedgntp

just so people can see what you mean and what reporters (opinion or otherwise ) are saying to give the best balance from both of these irrelevant sides on this