This is the road map that is to be used here which takes us up to the end of August…..only real problem is that Northern Ireland may have a different timeline to us...….the 2 Governments need to talk to each other so there's a single Island plan...... The Government road map on easing the Covid-19 restrictions will start on 18 May. The plan sets out five stages for unlocking restrictions at three-week intervals. From next Tuesday 5 May, people who have been cocooning can go outside their homes if they avoid all contact with other people. The 2km limit that is currently in place for exercise for the general population is to be extended to 5km. https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1136167-road-map-details/
Damned if you do damned if you don't. I agree about the modelling so much. There was just so much variation in the numbers, between two very disperate groups. The staffing, was one of the early questions I brought up on this page. At the start they were asking retired NHS to re-sign up, because so many of the permenant staff were isolating (25-33%) and so the NHS was very understaffed. So how were they going to get people to staff these mega hospitals? It never ever made sense to me....and why try to open so many Nightingales at once? The ventilator problem, also seems odd to me too, but could be linked to the creation of the Nightingale hospitals. One patient=1 bed=1 ventilator= 1-2 nurses. There is a slight understandable part, which I am not sure was in the initial calculation, that is that the patients stay on the ventilators for much longer than I think was initially considered, 21-28 days in some cases, instead of 3-5 days which was initially thought to be the case. But bottom line ...from experts to government, to policy makers...it was all knee jerk reactions instant quick fixes for the problem that was at the top of the list that day. No joined up thinking from anyone. Poor leadership by everyone
The Americans really don't get it...... https://www.france24.com/en/2020050...ockdowns-spread-to-liberal-bastion-california
Loved this bit.... "We're Americans, we're free, we know how to take care of ourselves," she said. Now run away and inject yourself with some Lysol you stupid bitch.
Scotland Coronavirus: Intensive care night shift in pictures By Christopher BobynBBC Scotland's The Nine please log in to view this image A Covid-19 patient is lifted by in the ICU team, in preparation for a chest X-ray. He was one of five patients requiring extensive 24-hour care throughout the night. Intensive care units are on the frontline of the coronavirus pandemic, working to keep the most seriously ill patients alive. Access into these units is extremely restricted, but I was allowed to spend a 12-hour shift with the overnight ICU team at Hairmyres Hospital in East Kilbride. please log in to view this image Hairmyres Hospital normally has one intensive care unit, but now there are two Covid wards and two ICU areas for Covid patients. The primary ICU has been running at 240% capacity for most of the Covid crisis, and its equipped to flex up to 400%. please log in to view this image Dr Austin Rattray leads the overnight ICU team of 30 nursing staff and clinical support workers, three consultants and two junior doctors. "It's been incredibly difficult for families not to be able to be with their loved ones, and for patients not to have the direct support of their families. That's been one of the hardest aspect of this," he says. please log in to view this image ICU charge nurse Morag Malcom monitors the breathing of a patient. She usually works in the unit, but many of her current colleagues are not normally part of the ICU team. They have been quickly retrained from other departments to fill staffing shortages brought on by the pandemic. please log in to view this image Each night blood samples are taken from all Covid-19 patients to test for the presence of the virus. Samples are passed from the strictly sanitised ICU to staff waiting outside. please log in to view this image A patient's X-ray is examined for fluid, to help decide if they can be taken off a ventilator. please log in to view this image Dr Rattray directs a team of six nurses to help him "prone" a patient whose oxygen levels suddenly dropped dangerously low, turning the patient on to their front side to ease breathing. "We're at the point that there's really nothing else we can do," he explains. please log in to view this image "Normally in the ICU we like our patents sedated but alert, but here the patients need to be in an induced coma," says Dr Rattray. "But it's about risk management and this is what we need to do to keep him alive tonight." please log in to view this image One Covid-19 patient has been dependent on a ventilator for 23 days. "Our understanding of the disease is rapidly progressing," says Dr Rattray. There's been remarkable local, national and international sharing of information which has allowed us to learn rapidly from each other, and prepare for whatever's next." please log in to view this image A nurse tends to a patient recently removed from a ventilator. Strict isolation is in place to limit the spread of the virus, meaning families are not permitted into the ICU for visits. "We know it's heartbreaking for the families not to see their loved ones who are so sick, but there's one nurse with each patient at all times, they are never left alone for one moment," explains charge nurse Morag Malcom. please log in to view this image Covid-19 patient Lynn Plunkett is recovering after time spent in the ICU. She says: "The doctor asked me if I should be resuscitated if needed. I said you keep me alive no matter what. I have my first grandson being born in two weeks and I need to meet him. You keep me alive no matter what." please log in to view this image Anaesthetic trainee Katie Maguire, showing the marks left by her face mask after a 12-hour shift. She does not normally work in intensive care, but has been drafted in during the pandemic
In my more cynical moments it does occur to me Beth that these Nightingale hospitals were in effect set up for the nightmare scenario of complete collapse of services under huge demand, and would in effect operate as ante chambers or waiting rooms for the morgue, with only a cursory attempt at treatment for patients (which would have been the only level possible given the amount of staff).
sb, my Dad is 98 and he goes out most days to get his paper and does a little bit of shopping. If I told him he can't do that I would get a reply very much like your Mum's.
The nightingale hospitals were in my opinion one of the few positive steps the government took. Better to be safe than sorry. Shame they didnt apply that to social gatherings, lockdown, school closures, testing, track and trace, airports etc etc
I don’t really see how they could have ever been used anywhere near to capacity with our staff levels so thinly-spread. I’d like to think one positive to come out of this is the demonisation of so-called low or unskilled foreign workers will end. Probably not.
MP for the Wrekin (Shropshire), Pritchard I think, has suggested using prisoners nearing the end of their sentences to help harvest fruit and vegetables for the farmers in his constituency. He did say he didn’t want it to be like a chain gang........
I'm not going to damn them for that, no. They had to provide for the extra capacity in case it was required. We moan that we can't build things quickly but that was an amazing achievement.
That's a very positive spin on them I guess. How about they were built to provide extra capacity should it be needed as some form of insurance. The government have undoubtedly made mistakes but I can't believe some of you are turning your guns on that now. Quite unbelievable really.
I don't damn them at all. I am just saying it was a knee jerk reaction from everybody:- government, experts, modellers I also agree with Stan, I think the building of the first hospital was all they could do. In my opinion, it was not thought through (on the staffing front) but very luckily we didn't need the extra staff. What I hope comes out of this is that we develop a pandemic action and research group, whose sole purpose is to plan for events like this in the future. As events like this will increase in the future. Then government ( of any party), can have real experts on hand who have planned for this CCJ: lets try and take some positive ideas out of this @@@@storm. I also think that we the human race have got a little too complacent in our ability to deal with anything that comes along
How could they have provided extra capacity without staff? We are criticising the quality of advice, not the decision to set the hospitals up. Its pretty clear that you don’t like people criticising the government, and that’s fair enough, but you would be more interesting if you could come up with a counter argument rather than just these trite, uninformed sarcastic bleats.
I think the capacity was needed as we seem to have sacked off so much else to accommodate Corona cases which is a big cause of our relatively huge rise in excess deaths (on top of our huge Corona-specific numbers). Ze Germans have a very impressive excess deaths trend, for example, which I think is largely due to their actual capacity.
